Patriots Playbook - 11/29/2007

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[1:10]" the running up the score ways orders Baltimore make this game closer. And the current 20 and a half points spread that I saw on the newspaper today. Send us your score prediction. And give me your thoughts on what happens on Monday night again do the patriots return to their running up the score ways. Or do the ravens make it closer than that 20 and a half points spread. Web radio at patriots dot com -- tiger reaches as always web radio at. Patriots dot -- so fire up your score predictions and you thought someone and it's game here in the early on because coming up the program we have more locker room chit chat 40 today we'll -- get into the papers locker room like we did yesterday were back at it again that he gave me some more so -- we'll hear from some of the patriots players a little later on in the program will also have the yum. Baltimore ravens conference calls specifically -- Brian billick their head coach all -- the program and as he always does on Thursdays. Russell Baxter from my ESPN. There and it felt research coordinator he is going to -- as as he does on Thursday to look at that. And of course the ravens and it is the Monday night game on ESPN and of course we'll take a look at week 13 elsewhere around the NFL very quickly after we left you yesterday Asante Samuel to the surprise of no one was named the AFC. Defensive player of the week for the past -- three tackles three passes defense to pick. One return for touchdown as the patriots solidified -- clinching of the AFC east last week an improved to 11 and oh. All all told this year. Com what else his first return for a touchdown of the season the third of his career in the regular season he has that total. It is Samuels second player of the week award he did it also week 12 so -- ironically in 2006 same week. He's the second patriots defensive player to win. The addicted to -- of the week award. I'm Mike Vrabel want to back in week eight so's on these and in in the AFC defensive player of the week what his former -- 3128 win over the eagles -- on -- Sunday nothing else did tremendous of note to pass on news in no wise we did sort of recap a lot of numbers for you yesterday's some of the -- Some of the bench remarks -- the patriots are getting ready to embark upon so today looking at it again I'm just kind of you know like bank in the rumor mills on what's out there about these guys and whether or not there's any lingering affect from probably spike gate but Reno I guess we -- calls on the night. Blueprint -- whether or not teams are now able to it to get a real feel for how to beat the patriots based on what the eagles did this last Sunday out what every one I just wanted to kind of test the water and a couple places that I go around the Internet got a test in the how people were feeling will be worth thinking. I and I came across an interesting article today. Com from USA today I don't know of result. But Jarrett bell wrote a story -- and I don't know maybe there are I get the sense your kids just off the bat here I get the sense that there are. Writers now. Who's Pacific sole job. Is to dig up stuff. I don't know if -- specifically to dig up stuff on the patriots. Or just to stir the pot you know just to find stories that are are offbeat offset or off team you know out of the ordinary. I'm I'm or hurt because the patriots have you know this newly found bad boy image in the NFL because they're winning it. And because of the holes by gate thing I seem to think that there's national publications out there and in some probably of the of the larger dailies in this country that. Probably they -- you know one day keep signal as to what else we can find of these guys because this makes for good reading. -- makes for good story this makes for interest high interest. I can't say that a power managing editor of a particular newspaper like USA today that I wouldn't say the same thing to be honest with the because everybody you know everybody's been buzzing about -- this year with Kelly all right let's let's find stuff to you we can't continue that -- You know it makes -- popular makes -- reporters readable. Makes people buyer newspaper well okay I understand I I just wonder where do we one do we go too far. Isn't new supposed to happen that we report the news not able. Now every major publication has an investigative person. And in many of them in the sports world as well to go out there to make the phone calls to do the diligent work to you know it's you know to dig up stuff as -- I don't know if that's right or wrong it's just part of the culture now point thank. Anyway that's why we attacked the -- date GAT that he's in the just about everything that seems to happen somewhat controversial -- anyway USA today. Jerry bell I'm going to read just a couple of clips from his story today in case she did not get a chance he and then I want your opinions on this today. He says Dave Lewis Thomas -- only glanced at the large digital clock mental wall near corner doorway in the -- flock drummer with this week. The carefully inspected the designer watch on his wrist no mine isn't synchronized -- faster than that. Thomas the Swiss army knife of a linebacker in his first season what the papers after seven years the ravens is nobody's fool. It didn't take him long to realize how costly a few seconds can be in an environment where digital clocks are ubiquitous and his teammates so eager to lay down -- law. That's part of the patriots culture the players in force some of the rules. For any given meeting several veterans are poised to pounce on a teammate who might be a two -- party. Tedy Bruschi is quoted saying it's a game within a game. Clock watchers you'd be amazed at how many people can come in that door before the clock if you've got 20 seconds Levy manipulate my ten seconds we get the number. These atomic clocks around here are going to synchronized watch some of the DB's has synchronized watching I've heard where some teams let a guy walked in late. And they'll say try to be on time next time not here every want to holds everyone accountable. I -- so far. I'm into the right it's great that I think the plate the patriots players are holding themselves accountable Bill Belichick doesn't have to do that. The coaching staff doesn't have to do that. The ownership doesn't have to do that the patriots players that sell hold themselves accountable. It is not the confines of the locker room. Aren't so that's good not the wrong there right. Iowa here's what what mr. bell from USA today digs up and then we get a little -- a little -- that to it by pro football talk dot com today. And I'm curious to know your reaction -- while I've seen it second of all what your reaction to the USA today story says the collective bargaining agreement between -- players -- set limit on how much players can be defined for various transgressions. Where can be -- as much as 400 dollars a pound for being overweight but no more than twice a week. Being late for curfew late for practice -- meeting late but the bus or a late for a visit with a trainer can cost as much as 1500 bucks. And the cost for losing a playbook -- as high as 8000 dollars. Gary can we lose this split vote here by the way. On the gets VA grand right yeah exactly you don't mind them right. We could split thanks -- patriots players handled some matters themselves including punctuality. Without the issue being settled on coach bill belichick's desk. Bruschi is this became the practice about 2000. He remembers -- has departed linebacker Willie McGinest having it handed instituting the enforcement Bruce is you don't want your fines and into the head coach. All right. So far I think I'm still following here. Donte' Stallworth as your receiver in his first year with a pat after previously playing for Philadelphia to Wallace says that many to fall in line. There's a lot of credibility of the room given the three Super Bowl wins in the past six seasons in the current 11 -- a marked the gives the patriots shot. At becoming the second team in NFL history to achieve a perfect season. The quote from Stallworth is bill doesn't have many rules but his main money is put that team first. And if something does come from Teddy Bruschi Rodney Harrison or Troy brown and they've been in the NFL for a 102 years you've got to respect what they stick. I'm good umpire in this amid this now right away as the show going to drop. Well Jerry bell says and USA today some of fractions going to current practice field or strictly for specific position group. But it's been Richard Seymour is his D linemen can get hammered permit and a technical assignment. Within the defensive scheme -- the players and the coaches keep track of violations and that some of the players might remind the coaches that somebody was in the wrong gap. Seymour says it -- sees something on the film you don't want to be that guy but it's all done in good nature everybody kind of laughs about it it adds to the competitive environment. The money collected from the finds goes into a popped. Bruschi and Seymour said that is dispersed after the following game. In the defense's case the cash is typically awarded to the player who comes up what the first turn over. Socially more jokes we want to gotta be late to get that pot. -- messing up technique and practice is that the the merit more money in the pot so. In -- night's win against Philadelphia cornerback Asante Samuel returned an interception for 40 yard touchdown in the opening position again. Seymour had not -- got a nice little stash. That's his quote. Well according to the story. Players won't reveal exactly how much was in the pot last week Bruschi said that it was subject to dispute a player -- would only identify as a veteran was late for a meeting in disagreed on how much money was to be docked. Veteran players including team captains huddle and set the amount how late was well that was the dispute Bruschi said how many minutes was -- lleyton how much should be put the pot. Contentions were aired over several day it was resolved until Saturday Bruschi that you ride and -- him with a the humor or little jabs you want to keep the banter going to make sure he realizes that we all know that he wasn't there. But sends a message to the younger guys that no matter who you are what. Here you were in the league or how many years you've been here you are held accountable. Bruschi -- when he asked if he's ever been -- it. Absolutely he's -- I've been here over 12 years I've been an editor too late. For meeting at times but it's time is caught over here every clock and your -- to the same time when you step in the door if you three seconds late -- You get an eruption from the peanut gallery in your name up on the board. Asked about handle hole from Sunday Bruschi said quote it was a good pot. And then the final line of this story. One problem. It's also a violation of NFL policy but that's an issue for someone else to police. Up or not I'm kinda lightly a -- left hang in here. Then why do you do this story. It seems like you're doing the story just deported out there in public right. Her body to pass judgment. Why not continue the story and get a quote from the NFL one rockets into the story and find out how much of a violation of policy is it. By the -- what is the NFL policy that they are violating here. That's the problem that I have with mr. bell and the particular article in -- that that that is it in the paper. In USA today. Well then let's let's take this is that for pro football talk doc compliment they replaced to go to on the net -- court he it's Michael Smith oh who posted this earlier -- you posted this earlier this afternoon. As we noted earlier this week that the NFL has decided not to take any action against the Green Bay Packers. After some defensive backs offered cash rewards to the defensive line for shutting down opposing running backs. The field did however remind the Packers that such rewards are against the NFL's rules which prohibit any form of bounty. The repeat the -- question states. Clubs and players are prohibitive from offering or accepting bonuses to a player for his earned him his. -- team's performance against a particular team. A particular opposing player. Or players at a particular group of an opposing team. Well this is what Jerry bell of USA today is reporting that the patriots are violating. Violating this rule. Clubs and players are prohibited from offering or accepting bonuses to a player for his reduced team's performance against a team a player or group of players on an opposing team. Bill note of course it's a violation of league rules. Given the president that with the Packers at the patriots most likely won't face any sort of league discipline but they will be told to quote. Knock it off. What do you think. What are your thoughts. That -- should something that is in the confines of a team locker room in particular. Be you know subject to I don't know that the high and mighty hand of the National Football League. Now granted apparently the -- players don't look at this is a bounty per day and -- quite frankly I don't think it is either I don't think it falls into the category which is where I think. Jerry -- of USA today in this is the point. This is not a bounty. You don't have incentive for going out and making apply. In a sense I guess you do because they say well you've got all this money -- collect fines being late for meetings what have you. And then the first player than me you know makes apply like that. In -- create turnovers get to turn rumor is going to get the pot maybe innocence that gives them in NF. Small as it might because I'm sure that the -- overall is is not exactly you know the famous as a weekly paycheck but who knows I guess. You know if it if it adds up over a few weeks and maybe it's decent pop. But it isn't a senator gonna try to make apply but it doesn't give them incentive to want to make a -- of particular team or individually just happens to be the next team. On the schedule. So I guess that what we need from the NFL and what we really should have had happened in the story but the reporter again. Falls well short I think of you know his journalistic duty here. What constitutes a -- and does what the patriots do. Within their own you know little you know circle in the locker room does that -- rules violation. And why we dig in this why why are we asking about this anyway what was the point. First of all how does a reporter from USA -- find out about this particular bounty if that is what it is. Apparently the patriots players don't think there's anything wrong with that and that there's certainly not violating any general YL what they'd be vocal about it. If someone asked them question why else -- they describe if they were concerned. That it might be rules violation if they felt like they were knowingly. Going up against a rule don't you think they would have kept their mouth shut it I don't know what you're talking about. Upon the whole thing rather curious about the whole thing just kind of makes me feel icky. For lack of a better phrase here at the -- the whole thing max of -- Of of of just digging up dirt for the sake of dirt digging. So you know in your in your thoughts I mean if you get a chance you know look at USA today and Jerry bell as the reporter. You want to go to pro football talk dot -- and and get the shortened version of what was going on you can go to that as well and I'd be curious to know what you how you feel about this particular issue are the -- violating a rule. The following the letter of the law they bending the rules is this a ballot deeper right. I mean I don't. I think a bounty is someone who's specifically goes out to make a play on a particular person in order to -- cash reward. I don't think with a pages are doing is -- is is a bounty. I mean it's incentive to go make a play but -- that they're not aiming at against the particular. Player or team. It's just the next on the schedule so I don't understand I mean a bounty is against a particular. Person I think in this reward such as it is. Isn't set automatically like okay automatically the next play automatically explain that I explain or automatically an Eckstein. Based on my reading into what the patriots are doing in the locker room based on on on my understanding of -- all is that you know this pot and basically add up over days and weeks. Before they decide okay. Not worth going after. And so I'm sure they'll make an announcement in the locker room amongst the guys that alright you know whoever makes the first play this week's gonna gonna gonna get the -- I'm fine doesn't mean that happens every week that means you can't target a specific team -- person. Squat it's cash I just edged him boy admitted that -- may -- it's much ado about nothing. It's entirely possible but I just -- curious that. This kind of story get brought up Percival begin with. How would a guy like Jerry bell find this out unless somebody tipped him off because he's not in the locker room to know about it. Somebody had to tip the -- overall whether it was a player or another member of the media or coach or something somebody's got. It's an inside knowledge that would tip this guy off. And so he decides to do little digging he asks a couple of players he had seen -- asked Bruschi. And in -- pressure we do this to have you know fund to keep guys accountable we all know that the patriots players love accountability they thrive on it. You've heard the quotes I've given either quotes from the players guys like Donte' Stallworth and work. Falling in line Randy moss falling in line guys in the past who have fallen in line Corey Dillon they've fallen in line why. Because this team does as good a job as any in all of professional sports of holding their veterans and all other players accountable. For their actions. Our mistakes made sure absolutely heroics while -- human -- respect but. This team a system in place to make those mistakes means something. Is that a bouncy. I I just I'd I have a hard time with the word bounty as it is can it is as consists. In this particular instance I don't think that's the proper word in the -- does have ruled against bounties I don't think they have applause so much against shall we say reward. And I think there are two different things here. It's it's it's obviously I conceit. Right now I I even speak it I can see why someone can make that reach. I will give Jarrett bill that particular benefit of the doubt I can see why he would make that region trying to create the story but I want to -- somebody would -- this off to him. That this is happening. And was they were just out to get the patriots. And believe you may because the patriots are who they are. And we've seen this several times now throughout this you know so far record setting season. Some birdies out there that just is a real hater or real jealous one of the other and maybe a little bit of -- So what do you think web radio at patriots dot com again is the email address web radio. -- patriots dot com I tell you get a if you'd like you can call as well five -- 5437482. That way on the list in my talk all the time you can do -- talking 585437482 that's the telephone number you can call in and will take your phone call again coming up about 20 minutes Russell Baxter from ESPN will join us around the NFL -- in the research coordinator for -- week 13 around the league. We'll also hear from -- Brian billick. Baltimore ravens head coach today and we'll get in -- patriots locker room toward the end of the program as well what you hear from the guys themselves as they prepare for the Baltimore ravens I'm a little surprised. Little surprised. -- spread is the point am based on what we all last week -- the eagles. Now I don't think Baltimore has near the offense that Philadelphia goes. You could make an argument I suppose the Baltimore has every bit the deep -- not better than Philadelphia but certainly that don't have anywhere near the -- This game is going to boil down to a a couple of basic fundamental practices and football whether -- not patrons take your ball. That's number one. Well to shoot themselves in the foot with penalties and turnovers. Because if they do and they give Baltimore the short field work with then -- could he word -- like Baltimore could really common reply. The Baltimore office is going to have to have help. To beat the patriots. I don't think that comes as you know brain surgery to anybody. But if you provide that often does that help and you put the deepest patriot defense on its -- Well that you could have very much another Sunday night. That's how it happens that's how works and that's really that's going to the formula B that's going to be the quote -- quote blueprint for the rest of the season against any of these tapes. You've got to give the opposing defense little help and if you do that it's going to be a game. If you take care of the ball. If you do with a -- it would they have seven possessions nine possessions on on the and they -- and I think like 73 -- play. I mean to about eight to nine plays per possession on average that's extraordinary. Miami's return enough first downs -- move the football it's an offense that's just darn near unstoppable. And as well as the defense may have played for the eagles and they ultimately did not stop the patriots regretted they held them to 24 point. Because of an obvious were scored by Samuel on the interception return. Which got -- nice little -- check that stash of cash that we are talking about but. You still wouldn't -- on. He still lost the game in the at the bottom line with the win or lose always remember how you played as his -- they're going to look back on at the end of the value lost. That's that's that's. That's it. So I'm surprised almost surprised that more money isn't moving. On Baltimore which would lower the odds in this particular instance but maybe that's because there others that feel like I do. That you know Baltimore's offense is anywhere near what Philadelphia's is. Therefore the patriots. Most likely -- gonna get back to their normal ways of doing things which gets back to my original email question today as we open up the show your have an -- on the and the thought crosses his all right do the patriots returned to their. Running up the score away and I want you to predict the score from Monday night in the arena web radio -- patriots dot com got a couple of different things talk about the a couple of different things on the agenda what you think about your thought okay. I want you to think about the story in USA today and they and the patriots quote on quote bounty and that -- word not mine. And whether or not you feel like -- somebody is trying to hoodwinked the -- or if this is a legitimate concern. And as a fan of the patriots are you concerned that this team might me. I stressed the term might be might be violating another NFL rule. -- don't web radio at patriots dot com and things a time -- will come back with a couple of emails will also won get into Russell Baxter and we'll get into the Baltimore ravens and much more. Right here -- the play."

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[30:11]" We'll talk to Russell Baxter about the little -- but quite frankly it if you are one of those that does not have NFL network on your system or you're not fortune of like need to have the dish. -- directv in your home as well library deviant particular and inept shall we don't know what I would do without it now had a here's the deal. If you go to NFL dot com time and I NFL dot com is going to have what they call a supplemental broadcast. Of the Packers cowboys game. Tonight the going to have live -- they'll have in game highlights we'll have live in studio analysis and apparently much other stuff as well. Now NFL dot com did this very same thing with the colts falcons game. Which of course was the all the Thursday game out last 13 out of thanksgiving. On in the lives stream apparently was very clean and very clear and very Chris. So we don't get NFL network. If you're not interested in hanging out a sports bar wherever you buddy's house that you know may have the satellite dish at home. You can at least stay up to -- in real time with the game -- if you like via computer in an Internet connection and by the way might I had of course once again that the patriots. Will be the Thursday night game on NFL network in the season finale against the New York giant now. You probably already knew them but I feel like I should probably -- of the year as well because you know that will be a story will be a point of contention with many of you. When we get two weeks 70. And we get to the final week and will get a lot of emails a year and probably all over the place and with the talk of talk shows all the while knowing. How come we can't either patriots. I'm telling you now kids are right. Get yourself ready for this and you pay if the patriots are 15 an -- they have a chance now to make that 16 you know undefeated Mark you know. You know you're going to want to see the game it's not going to be on cable. Unless of course you're cable system. Gives you the chance. To watch NFL network. So you can take matters into your own hands right now and and again I don't work for the NFL I don't have stock -- network I'm not Adams after best friend he's been on this program is well and you know obviously he's -- reporter for NFL network but what I am telling you is that you can still do this on your own I I looked at frankly element of a network in I usually watch a little bit of every day in the best part of an ample network is that if any of football fix in the offseason I can turn it on they're always doing something. An interest in. -- of your football fan this is that this is the thing there's plays you gotta go to beyond that do great job. And I tell you invited they they did a very good job while I love some of their stuff I don't like some of the personalities that -- to pull themselves but I guess that kind of comes with the territory. -- what you should take matters into your own hands right now. And in and call your satellite provider called direct TV called dish network. Whichever -- you prefer and say all right I need to get the dish because I want NFL network. And dump on your cable Allen and that's that. And it's going to take a lot of you to do that before some of these cable companies Comcast a particular decide acquiesced and put this on on on a -- where you know you can get it. So there you go. Tonight will be a good test market for what could happen in the last week of the regular season. Because I guess there probably there estimating about 40 million football fans who would otherwise watched this game tonight the Packers cowboys game. -- 40 million fans who would watch it if they could but can't or won't because they do not -- the NFL network. I'm -- that 40 million. So don't get left out cold and don't complain to us and don't send us the email Lugar who commits few years ago what do you do look I'm telling you now okay now. -- now. It's about a month or -- away guys month or so -- here. So it take matters into your own hands if you really -- that concerned about watching or could be a piece of NFL history that night. The -- patriots take on the giants and you're going to complain that it's not on you know your cable system. Take take care things -- NFL network in Bogut the addition you'll be all sent. That's basically what it boils down. And I guess that if you're really cheap and you really tightwad personable shame on you our youth football fan and it's expensive sport if they -- Number one number two if you can't do it at this point time and like as an NFL dot com is going to have this. Supplemental deal with -- have Wilkins in the have highlights what the game's going on an Alice is not that kind of stuff on in the outcome least you can eat the up to date with the game as a -- Aren't today but that's the other point that I want to bring across that quite frankly the test market tonight -- Very good test. -- get a couple of emails and here again web radio at patriots dot com. Major predictions in -- thoughts on Monday night with a -- the patriots get back to their as I said earlier quote on quote. Running up the score ways or will this would also be closed in your estimation. Based on what you saw this past Sunday against the Philadelphia Eagles. Question or want to question number two has with the USA today story. On patriots players putting up a lot of cash for turnovers. And whether or not that counts constitute a bounty and what do you think the patriots are violating. An NFL rules stating that teams cannot do that. You go to USA today it read the story. Good pro football -- dot com. And see them talking about that story and that's always bring it up today is that today's Aggies will call it bounty gates a little -- of another phrase. And what you think about it more than you think it's much ado about nothing or is it legit and should the patriots do something about it. Or is it just a hater who's been tipped off on the patriots somebody's who I think had been assigned to dig up dirt. on May be the best pro football team ever. And they wanted to pro sports teams ever. -- Scott Washington's is John one concern I have about Monday night is the Baltimore whether. Originally the forecast was for rain but not supposed to be cold and windy with wins projected to be between 16 and 24 miles per hour I'm like a meteorologist got gusts like that could interfere with the patriots passing game and that presents a wildcard to predicting this game. If they can deal with the conditions that I think the patriots do have a very good chance to win big on Monday specially a team of the week offense like Baltimore. He -- by the way I live in the DC area and I plan to attend Monday night games -- and paying close attention. The weather outlook Scott thank you appreciate that hum. Glad that you will be either glad that you be -- on the -- in in this particular instance you know. I would say that if the winds are swirling. Then yeah I would say that that obviously is going to keep you from you know trying to target things deep -- assure that defense that you want to do -- on anyway given the penchant for. You know Ed reed's presence being there now you know Bill Belichick is -- lot of praise on him this week so my guess would be you'd see and and guess what guess what. Jaws told us this here yesterday on this program right those the -- mister Ron Jaworski was a guest yesterday before his national conference call in again exclusive to you. Listeners here -- the play book. -- at the very same thing he said you know what I wouldn't be at all surprised to the papers go where -- Philadelphia like game plan. Against the ravens and their defense on Sunday. So to be the same type of thought process going into the game on Sunday. Where they're going to going to look to the middle they're going to look short that kind of thing in there you know maybe do some no huddle like and then keep him from substituting packages and -- and what have you. If that proves to be true anyway gave in Newtown Pennsylvania. Okay and no one can beat the pants. So let's beat them down and was scrounging around for in dirt well. If I get it straight the head coach probably would have to reward the player in order to violating a rule. But I didn't hear anything you said where it was another player or group of players rewarding each other as a violation. That's actually good technicality there yet. We says so where is the fire I don't Melanie smoke here. What a joke. What are these guys what does this guy's credentials to create such a far till this -- back to work for the bill and let's turn the air down and the noise up. Pulled in news. Okay good that's what I wanted to wanted to your opinion on this particular story thank you for that game he also says as for the Monday night game I -- Tom terrific in the end zone gang. Back to their always touchdowns that is. And within anemic offense and a banged up defense I'm looking for past 38 ravens nine. -- gave. Excellent good email way to -- that's firing an off. Are let's go with from the does Kaman jewel and Miramax -- as. Okay I heard you show the other day you mention that to fans questioned Randy moss well I was at my buddy's house watching the Philly game. And he pointed out that on several of the replays it showed Randy kind of Peter Inge out at the end of several crossing pattern. He was notorious for doing this in Oakland. Understandably no -- receiver in the NFL likes taking hits across the middle is notoriously works safety he often wide receivers but if you don't completely sell the root. He leaves it open. His oh my god what are we doing with -- the geez why not Monte Rio because of -- joked don't know where Eric day is or pier W but let me tell you the of those that is preferable over Chad brown. Early they will village is going to play a lot more for three and -- Chad only if necessary like you guys said of Chad brown is on the field were hurting. I also think -- to be the case and I that's why broader appeal today. Yeah I'd say that's pretty much case. Keep in mind the -- to someone who was complaining you know come Timor still invisible out there. He's just now kind of getting out of his pre season guys. So he's pretty much you know starting his year. And you think he might be hitting your stride by the time the playoffs start and I think that's a good sign for all things patriots. -- his overall. We're still the best team in the NFL and after watching too many mediocre poor years I will take it lastly as for who we should play in the Super Bowl Dallas -- court. Wade Phillips has been cut the mold of Mike Martz and you gotta love that they lost at their way. He has looked like Belichick and Phillips in a room and make them play Madden 8 for the Super Bowl in one who wins that matchup Nigel thank you for that email. -- another one here and then they'll have Russell -- join -- for a couple minutes I read what time is joining us. He's joining us at three thanks Irene and campuses John pardon me if you already spoke about this but isn't this bounty situation similar to one that happened in Green -- If I am not mistaken the unifil had no problem with whatever went on there. Yeah I'm in fact hiring that's exactly what palpable -- dot com was talking about that. It was somewhat similar to what happened in Green Bay but. Because of what happened in Green Bay they have got the latest on the street here give -- minute. Calm yes they did not take any action. On the Packers for some defensive backs offering cash rewards to the delight to the defensive lineman for shutting down running back. -- like a little competition within the competition. So to me. What the patriots players may be doing here. Is more like what the Packers did then. Say putting out a bounty on somebody's head. So I don't know why the patriots would be singled out any differently than the Packers players would have been for a similar story. And it's a very good point by you -- is it just seems to me that this year has been one of the one of defending the pass on or no matter what they do or don't do. It's getting ridiculous in the kinds of issues that are being raised by the media and fans of the football teams. A lot of the just watch the team play without all the commentary from ESPN and SI et cetera. I can only hope they do run up the score on Monday I love that stuff. Thank you for the good stuff that's that's right there. Right there on the Mark. Good perspective. I don't know what you think he still think that maybe this would qualify as a bouncing. If -- is that violating any rules as of violating the spirit of the game. Or you know let me ask you this and I am just going to I'm going to make -- general assumption here. Because I think if your football fan I mean a die hard football fan you have. Played football -- some point in time in your life. Maybe you know if your female vehemently football maybe you played other sports I'm gonna I'm going to suggest. That not everyone not all but the majority of football fans. Have played sports before the younger for recreational what have you gone out even -- That being. You do things all the time for incentive. You know you talk about it with your your teammates -- your friends or what have you and they have some if you if you make this play you know I'll buy you a beer at what are they of that kind of stuff goes on. All the time. So why shouldn't the guys in the hallway. In the locker room -- always have the same right to have that kind of fun as we -- Why shouldn't because it's a business. Well okay I loved to have somebody try to explain that him. Well why should they be regulated for every little thing they do want what all we're really do it is kind of sucked the fun and the enjoyment of the game. Like I said it's up to a team to self motivate. What you're doing here is it it is if you're if you're -- in force things like this particular issue with the patriots in the this so called them incentive clause. A bomb. What you're doing is you're taking away. The few opportunities that teams have to gain edges for themselves why would you want to -- a bunch of mindless drones. Playing out on the field participating on the field. You don't why would you. Personalities what -- again I've said this a couple of times this year I've said it more than a couple of times and I'll continue to say dynasties are good. For for sports. Pick a sport. I'll give you a dynasty and I'll tell you whether or not it was it was good or bad I guarantee every instance will be good did the Yankees it's good for baseball. I'm not like the Yankees put it's good for baseball as a sport why because you either love them or you hate them. But you don't ignore him -- The year I mean the very fact Gary that you brought up the Yankees tells me that you know your fixated on the Yankees. And so because of that well you know that's good for baseball but as the Yankees have a -- a baseball. It creates interest. That's what it does he keep interest use the Rangers did and then how much more they can win. Or you registered them because you want them to get beat a bad you can based. Dynasties are good for sports. And the patriots dominance right now is good for the NFL just like John just like the Packers of the 60s. The Steelers of the 70s the -- of the 80s and the cowboys of the of the 90s and 2000. That it it did it they're absolutely absolutely good. For the sport. That's why college football seems so much better win Notre Dame is good. Win the traditional powers like Nebraska and Oklahoma and USC in Alabama teams like that. -- good every year and college football seemed to be missing a little something when the dynasty when the teams that have the reputation the big timers aren't good. Emotional some. Mean face -- we don't wild and wacky year in college football this year. One that is crazy is I can ever remember recovery and being a part of and I realized to many people that wonderful thing that's a great thank you just don't know on any given week galliano and that's good stuff. We would have had more order to that to the season. Without a doubt had there if there were a dominant team in a one of those -- teams happened to be a big game program. Right now you've got two teams that have never played in this rarefied air. Of national champ Richard taught that never played for a title before they're are poised to play in the BC's Jim -- game in Missouri. In West Virginia. The jury still has to get by one of those dynasties Oklahoma. And they can do that this weekend the -- torture have a chip then Missouri gets put all the marbles. So you know I just. I'm thinking overall that just because the dynasty situation because teams dominant teams are good overall that you know this is just part of the process that. Teams are going to take potshots at -- And take potshots at any team that wins an -- teams -- potshots at the at the Yankees all the time. Teams take pot shots in and have taken -- years at the Celtics -- it and it lost it it it lost its fun of several years ago in the pit on the Celtics started going downhill the fact that they have won a championship in 21 years now it's -- like are I'd been there done that and and there's a whole generation of basketball fans the don't know about the Celtics dynasty. They don't remember. And they've never in their lifetime have the Celtic or at least in the conscious like I'm. Ever had the Celtics is one of the good teams now of course they were in the Eastern Conference finals a few years ago but I mean even then I think. Even longtime observers realized that you know they weren't going anywhere. But now that their back this is kind of nude people."

[49:39]" Dynasties are good."

[49:44]" Do you think otherwise. I'd love to hear from web radio -- patriots dot com if you think otherwise and if any of the comments about the the the bounty situation in -- still got to get your predictions in for Monday's game I realize it's a little far off. -- little far off. Can do an -- about the schedule and the way that works. But what you -- going to turning your attention because honestly. Before the season started this was a game that we all had earmarked on the calendar as a potential -- Let's face it when you when you opened up the year and you -- Patriots scheduled of one of the first things you did was you were down a list win win win win loss win win loss win loss -- win win when you go down the list and you think all right you know that when this from the loses. Everybody plays that game on the schedule first comes out everybody. I I'm willing to bedie was over the players' tunnel all do that we will now what was that. You know that -- thing -- human nature you play that game everybody plays the win loss. This was one of those games that you had as a loss wasn't admitted. I did I had this is an -- for the season started. How many -- you did c'mon be man enough or woman enough to admit it. He had this game is a loss that you. What's changed. But the in the fact Steve McNair isn't helping Kabul was the quarterback and they often seemed to be a stagnant as any offense in the league. But what's really changed. Is the patriots is it more the patriots dominance. Or more the ravens ineptitude. Web radio at patriots dot com there's -- notorious as well. A a couple of -- pass along. Pro bowl balloting. Ends on December the 11 they curators you have to go to NFL about com slash pro -- or you can text men's pro 27777. From a phone with sprint wireless service and then you can vote for your favorite players -- patriot or otherwise with a probable. Com -- paper and ravens. This is the fourth time. That these two teams have net as the Baltimore franchise was founded after the Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore in 1990. Bombed the previous three times have all been -- wind. And of the last time these two teams played was a November the 20 of 2004 almost three years today. Which was a point 43 win the pass over the ravens here at Gillette stadium. Now the patriots have. One win in Baltimore the only time that ever played in Baltimore. This by the way will be their first trip to M and T bank stadium which opened in 1998. So this their first trip to play in this particular stadium but the only the time they -- the Baltimore is back in 96 before the new stadium opened they beat the ravens 4638. -- a 23 win in 2000 it'll Foxboro Tuesday. That was the actually the final game of the 1999 regular season. But he came and on chain where the second 2000. So there's not a lot of history between the patriots and the ravens -- that your that's that the big thing number one. But when you look at how these teams stack up they stack up very comparable lead with their two deep and yes the ravens are hurting in the secondary without a doubt. But overall. The two teams are comparable pitchers are third in total leap into the NFL the ravens are fourth. In rushing defects patrons are fifth in the NFL the ravens are third. In the NFL past the fan is the one area in which the patriots might be able to exploit. Ravens are only 15 the league about halfway down -- Almost 214 yards per game in the air on average -- a pretty good number overall but compared to you know. With patriots give up but it's if not saint. Pitchers are six the past defense a 195 point four yards per game given a pass an extraordinary number. When you consider -- the performances in fact the fact that AJ Feeley had a career night go over three bills go this last week. Points allow the ravens are given -- more point to point to a game of the patriots given up under 17 games 60 point eight. Which is tied for fifth in the -- But the biggest difference between these two teams other similar defensively. Pitchers obviously in total offense -- number one of the ravens 24 so it really doesn't compare their but the biggest difference happens to be in turnover differential. Patriots -- lead the league plus 16 ravens are minus 11."

[54:57]" pull them -- well. So would that."

[55:01]" We welcome in Russell Baxter the -- research coordinator dirty is being -- our guest here on Thursday's. -- is obviously a huge huge reason Russell isn't going to go into some of the numbers now over why the ravens are -- seventh this year."

[55:15]" Celtics big question about it and how are you -- talking about great thanksgiving it was a an uneventful thanksgiving what I'm appreciative for. Get well at these times. I don't blame but it's funny you should bring up turnover differential yeah validate what their hatred -- so good at it. But he -- they remember who was ecstatic that league last year"

[55:37]" best team in turnover average -- the other colts."

[55:40]" That would be the Baltimore Reagan always know last year -- and so if you went from 13 inquiry 247 in blessed technicality here that would take heck of a reversal. Would you say. Yes yes well this year they hardly decent minus 11 actually they're plus 70. My 11 last right now -- 11 right now I believe it is dead last in the national football yeah yeah. But it -- 20 swing you think that that. You know so plus 17 a year ago you were team that was. Very aggressive even earlier this year he saw them doing a better job of forcing turnovers and so but they have lived and died by your own turnovers this year. And a belief. Funny enough it's it's Monday Night Football. And the Baltimore ravens committed 20 turnovers to their 11 games issue which despite more than they did all last season. And it goes for some reason has come on the air Monday Night Football six in the opening day loss to the to the big goals last time they were on net cool rainy night in Pittsburgh it off -- up four times. Very simple they have. Three turnovers and they're four wins and it 25 turnovers in the seven games they lost this year. While food that hefty number."

[57:04]" Bowie tribute this all it come explicitly to -- in there in -- season their ineptitude. Relatively speaking on offense."

[57:12]" Which seems to me this year for whatever reason that -- would he be there within -- he just did not do the very good job of taking care of the football and I think sometimes that's when fumbles and else. Well yeah 88 fumbles seven lost act Evelyn -- four interceptions they're 11 turnovers right here that's pretty he -- forgotten who is not. Play at how many times did you see him get run -- a pocket. In the ball okay and -- bury under the air like to be honest with because he never. -- high turn over -- think you guys who were you know not just the interception guys that the formal guys that Dokic Culpepper comes to Mike who would throw a sure interception but also fumble lot Kerry Collins what you're really had on politeness as well. Well but you know that this thing -- speed figure didn't brochure interception but I would never considered a guy who they're always been you're sure quarterback Mark -- it comes to mind that you know put more cricket but. There are guys when they get hit it's almost certain the ball's gonna come out. And I don't look that's pocket presence or what that it you saw what Jason Campbell this year Jason -- got. I -- the three times he gets back -- Mike label I'd really be formidable every time subject it's someplace skin. Gets sick and not. You know formal ball Jeff hostetler comes to mind. The very pivotal safety did didn't turn into a touchdown of the suitable long time ago so it's like he gets -- but as long as you don't call the the football in the process Tom -- been fact that a lot this year but what he has it's not like he's caught the before I think he didn't want to medallist. Game but it's not like you know they got a lot of heat on him last Sunday night big its second three times but it wasn't like the ball was popping out left to right movement and -- just going to take care of the -- everybody's gonna get hit. Just better -- audible when you do get it. He's the don't know that Steve McNair Alou on the global problem we're wrong I think if you see it -- mean. Today that money they can't get Pittsburgh it's evident but both games against the big goals this year what they -- they coughed it up I want to say they had six turnovers I think it each Bengals lost. This year. The team that lives and dies -- term but just seemed like even what he's we will get there would be running the ball Miguel by excited somehow we get knocked out of the CN and so -- noted that it is huge disappointment first team I was one -- not. Because the ravens coming into the year because it's he'd -- granddaddy Cassidy of the last seat and I didn't feel this as a team it's going to undergo a little bit but overall in this offseason and be an interesting overall considering how much in terms of draft picks. They gave up last year and this year coming up I -- I believe they -- Buffalo Bills league third round pick. This year stolen competition for Willis McGahee detained at all we built in the draft Johnny if you will battle. Putted exceptionally you know you go back and look at their first -- stick their history a lot of them still with the club. You know their first two picks in their history which I have not been ray Lewis and are still there isn't an estate agent free agency that's very kinda rare news that is ready to. Read Todd -- Chris michalak 30 year old former first round picks always done very very well they've drafted well the funny thing is the one guy who they drafted. Quite that late. With the guiding Derek Anderson -- Who they kinda -- Lawton and look at the uranium he's seven with a -- number out of swept the Baltimore ravens this year that this thing that's really got to be. Eating at think they could use him a little little I think. Think they could use a little bit -- absolutely and that's one thing that it that it that it of all the numbers with the ravens this year either turnovers or points allowed excited. There's one number that really jumped up and they -- that it doesn't apply this week because a point patriots -- one side in the division this year. Well swept by the angles but by the browns already beaten by the Steelers they closed the season. With Pittsburgh at Baltimore which can be meaningful game depending on the browns Steelers. Duel for the AFC north title on the church here and but 15 in the division. Quite follow."

[1:01:22]" That is quite well I will get a little bit more on known field. Game on Monday night since that's the -- game will help change it is very very convenient exactly get the product and yet at the same time took care of your about your own network it really works out very well all the -- I must admit. Through no fault of your own world part of night games on here."

[1:01:43]" Well you know it's eluded. Yeah put on -- even. I think -- there's -- I think at nighttime -- start running out because I believe the limited six yes. On primetime and I think that includes two games that are scheduled -- believe that so we know that the patriot to play this Saturday night game the last game a year right we have seen -- this is their second Monday night game Murton. This is coming Sunday night -- demonstrates that this is that for the -- yet this is. This is -- is along with the -- that schedules so in other words -- at reflects market you know. But this course they're going to play next week when it's a little dark anyway because the game which Rupert was moved to forfeit a lot who could be the second half of the doubleheader against exactly of course would make that play out because. As we actually go to art and the playoffs -- okay so we played at night as well so. Thanks for that by the way and that's just that -- deal with the a little -- only because it's her third in a row here it's like what people forget but I know you don't. One of the reasons that now at all. Of the games in the playoffs are at night had a lot to do with the talk."

[1:02:57]" Really picked at the success of the -- it. Why is that what you're given the backdrop in this know weighing in this. And you know do you remember it was it was early to earlier this decade that the league kind of experimented with -- you know a couple of night playoff games. Now of course all the play our games have been too -- pushed further provision we did got I think what do they the first. The first first couple years not everything was late now everything -- later. So it's kinda give but four what I never understood it I think the week was always looking for that we carry. You know that the backdrop of the New England Oakland divisional playoff in 2001 it is. You know it's great is great because it's it's what you really envision in terms of a winter NFL playoff game. There's no coming down the fans into it you know it a crazy play one of the great kicks of all time and that it going into overtime. So I don't it has to mystique to it. The -- it you know I'm I'm sure the raiders agreed to debt. I don't think the word mystique is what they would use button you understand what am -- absolutely yeah and I I think. Once I got to go back and look at the actual time but my understanding was. You kinda get the sense from the league that. Of that that game that night really proved that I don't think we've really knew. That putting all the but at the playoff games later in the day was going to be success. Okay because. What are football field more than anything else Johnny you know creatures of habit them okay I mean it's so funny about the other guys and I'm sure what to -- you know what fox got beat Tennessee package in 1993. I think I spent the next eight years still refer to the games on TV yet."

[1:04:51]" The NFC right. And the psychiatrist all of that be say boy would I computer for eight years no no but it would have been -- but if you grew up that way. It is pretty it's still it even though I've worked for the network it's still weird that -- funniest PM Saturday -- say that's true. But that's that you know work at old."

[1:05:11]" Yes and -- Which co -- were an item here I don't the deal by the way that the six night games on the schedule we head at number 16 San Diego October 1 Cincinnati the Monday night game. November 18 buffalo. Obviously last week in the eagles this week against the ravens so you're talking three weeks in a row which is -- kind of -- idea -- you know on Saturday night right so as the giant game which I have -- dimensional -- earlier it's NFL -- game -- court tonight. We have an NFL -- game of huge proportions in the NFC with Green Bay playing at Dallas and I basically said look you know if you're already worried about you know. Being able to watch potential history being made at the end of the season in New York do yourself a favor go get a dish that's right is that basically what you gonna do what was your cable system. You know have a secure -- network."

[1:06:02]" Why listen I think it's grossly unfair I think it's awful because I really don't care about the game tonight but they're really want to -- players redskins' next week wire. -- does the TC's games this of course they -- you well now I'm just I'm just getting up -- issue on the opposite point of contention for going on two years now and so want. But as it turned out the lead is doubt -- would be FL network is one of getting some really really important game on the Thursday night games I don't think he necessarily looked at it that way. Before the season started but that's the beauty of the of the -- and it -- they have this year. You know. Other kinda games that would Cincinnati if you -- I cabinet Saturday at Pittsburgh and saint Louis I think it's a Thursday game they also Denver Houston a couple of weeks which I find. To be kind of an intriguing game maybe it will get into it later about. The Texans and how they're going to have an impact the rest of the way which people I don't think realized because. That's how they're playing but who their -- so that you know listen we all get our -- good games. We'll get -- bombs that it there's no guarantee everybody to be great every week. But I wish they could get this -- kind of resolve because I would like this and a 100% of time to about parker cowboys -- not 1730 Packers cowboys and the other 30% -- you could be able to watch a game tonight."

[1:07:34]" Right exactly you know that it's unfortunate but you know a right now is one of our favorite things goes around here it is what it is so. A much greater damage -- you can build on what."

[1:07:46]" what it is and it's it's it's the other spoke it's. It's it's it's you know it's it's okay to -- one --"

[1:07:53]" Right that's exactly on -- so boils down to that's exactly right now arm. You know it do you think for the fact that that Brett -- has never won in Dallas does that does that. Play into this at all tonight."

[1:08:06]" I don't think it played into agility it's funny how these things keep working out oh okay I'll hit it to the Packers of the plate doubt since 1999 by the how many teams have -- played each other a lot even better in the same conference. But I won't just throw this out okay. For people who. I don't think -- put -- things and so on you know there Erstad didn't need more than others and that just kind of one of those maybe -- fund for Brett. But it's just one of those funds that. Protect the Detroit Lions got just throw this the Detroit Lions have never wanted to Washington. Their rosters have changed over the last 60 something years for this reason they were always 21 in Washington I did not know that that's store -- you know. So what does that mean I have no idea it's kind of a funny thing. For years the Philadelphia equals good would Chicago for years at Pittsburgh -- could -- in Chicago. Pitched just one of those funny things happen that -- alliance lost again there this year. In what she did the last time the lions beat the Redskins on the road. They were the Boston -- typically -- 1935 -- a -- okay. It it was a big -- but why did that keep happening I don't know but it just -- those I think now of course -- dictate the on the air. Three of those losses were playoff games in 9394. Divisional playoffs in 95 NFC championship game either fight what he did the year. That the -- won the Super Bowl 96. They wanted on the gallows on a Monday night John -- earlier this isn't Crespo he'll -- 70 -- them do okay and at least 116. They were the better team that your they're still behind it worked out a way to lose sometimes it's match ups sometimes it's coincidence it's just wanted to say that the play into that night. No but. If they do lose tonight he'll be on 900."

[1:10:00]" The other stroked -- it is the number right. Tom -- or write -- shouldn't mean a lot then again. You know based on what I've seen of the two teams you know Green Bay may be the more solid of the two teams but I think Dallas. You know I I've been intrigued by not certain -- offense is very good but of intrigue. By what I see as an improving -- in the deep -- that at times is very very fast. And I'm wondering if this means that the cowboys do have on -- Vince might not be enough to sort of you know help shut down."

[1:10:31]" Packers I can't go back and forth on this one I think. Both teams even the other boat had that one John W holding teams you can see that you could see Green -- on a weekly basis some on the way they play. And -- is kinda changed its game. As well straightened -- say base -- the quarterback who's been a little more turnover prone this year. It actually did Tony -- to Brett Farr and the package that's the wonder very overwhelming statistic. With the Packers this year is is -- 11 games they've only committed 15 turnovers. Ten of those in the Ted Williams. And five over the only game they lost which was -- something they -- to Chicago so 13 of their turnovers gave their only -- else has got a lot better forcing those turnovers but I think what everybody's waiting for tonight is. While the -- heavy our radio receivers everybody wait to see who's going to match up on Terrell Owens it'll likely be -- Paris -- Charles Woodson is even going to play. But I think he'll probably try to give -- ago. To either real intrigue here is the rotation but they got a couple I think -- the Packers defensive line which goes six or seven deep now big bringing a lot of fresh guys. Very -- for people thought -- go to pro bowl -- it was spooky he might even have a better year this year he is a real sat on the defensive end. That is Colin -- this is a great battle outrageous tonight think that's going to dictate what exactly al Harris could do with parallel."

[1:12:07]" Certain -- That's I'm definitely important. On for Sunday's games a couple of that kind of standout to me number one a little bit under the radar I guess it's only because both teams struggled of late. Particularly Tennessee but Tennessee playing at home against Houston. The survivor of this in the winner of this was still is very much in the thick of things I think for a wild card spot the loser. Well if it's used in their -- on if it's tennis eight. They're probably don't because it would be what four losses general I guess for the titans."

[1:12:37]" It doesn't let things like -- the week. Comes from and it wouldn't Albert hanging his work and a -- would work he's worth about a hundred yards a game rushing. In the first eight games of the year the titans were only given up 66 yards per game of a grant. In their last three games with him out a lineup job. Once 66 and 166. Once 48 well in three straight losses now. We all point of Vince young and you know they don't necessarily live and die with coverage on played because statistically. Not had a great you're taking care of the football not been overly productive but the deep -- all market this team in the last couple weeks without him without Albert pains were they get their lunch head tilt and it's so obvious what's happened because teams are exploiting them right up the middle. You mentioned he said that's great -- like the Houston Texans are five and six though they only won six games last year they're hoping the better that. But who they play this is not necessarily in order. But who they played the last five games I think -- a determine a lot of playoff spot. They play all three of their divisional -- once again. And by the way other six losses three of -- come to their divisional foes they also played -- Tampa Bay Buccaneers. In the Denver Broncos want to lose that first place what do we gave out of first place whether detected baker not I think they could they realistically have a shot at seven an -- they they might want to be the best last placed team about media who beat last place teams but one way the other. I think airport performance is going to dictate the play off field idea sit."

[1:14:20]" Yeah I guess you would that would certainly be the case. Bombed the big game I think that a lot of people be given their at least half an -- on would be Jacksonville at Indianapolis on Sunday afternoon with the colts nine into -- Jacksonville having an opportunity now to catch. The colts I don't know that they do but I was impressed -- Jacksonville last week."

[1:14:39]" Yeah I get kind of more impressed by them weekly and it to -- this as a team. Backstreet it was so erratic on deep -- to. They would have their great games and then -- mystified losses even lower early this season member of opening day gave up 282 New York Russia at home to Tennessee -- decked out pretty good for team that was so you know formidable upfront. The other road few weeks later even though playing better -- free throws for 445 yards against her defects so. Their defense which is the hallmark of the team has been a bit erratic but I think they're getting better offensive line like the quarterback David Cortes got thrown -- interception. Fred Taylor's about the cracked the top 20 archers of all time and it still way to go to was first global which is an amazing piece of information seeking to -- Jones Drew for people who didn't realize how good of football player George -- is one only had the look at him docking -- very bad. Back a couple of yards a couple weeks ago when they play to chargers and arguably the best most memorable block of a year but what's interesting that the colts is this in years past where is -- to build the muscle team. And the colts have always been that the best team. The colts now play more likely Jacksonville Jaguars. And I think -- or -- stop but I doubt that gore gore got hurt in the first meeting but their defense really never sold. Indianapolis is running gain in balance but the played on Monday Night Football. The big thing with the cold that you love always. -- healthy bodies -- to get back this week right and this was their big opportunity could member. They were getting can be -- because they played on thanksgiving night and that they had this time ready get ready for the stretch -- we don't play treaty coming back. But it seemed like the pretty comfortable with their defensive line that they just put Simien -- go so. Indianapolis can really put stranglehold the division with a win here but. I think Jacksonville's growing up a lot John from the team that was kind immature last year that I noticed that it a couple of the games they won -- the backup quarterback quick break what did -- to pick a winner here this is I think it can be a real real physical slugfest up in the RCA delve into far from a a lock of the colts making it sweeps this year I'm."

[1:17:08]" I really believe that is going to be as simple as the -- front load up the box and make her art beat them over the top that's that's really where."

[1:17:14]" I think they'll look at and I hated it it talking waited a good friend -- because that the all secondary of the colts. Who've gotten much better take a way to football I think gore will get his first interception okay -- never will be multiple. But coach Joseph Addai. Is big powerful writer and even though I think people who witnessed our he reminded subways over -- Jones true even over restructuring is a little stock you're. And I think quicker but just -- that a guy means a lot of that offense but we see them -- it can't keep when necessary and so. Depending on that helped a bit Indianapolis offense applied -- to -- obedient parakeet it is."

[1:18:01]" And bomb with a couple of others that double touch on his briefly. Giants playing at Chicago and I bring at a ball because the giants -- thinker last week. Obviously isn't talk about maybe the giants heading into a second half of the season wound. Like they did last year obviously there's still the patriots schedule yet ahead Chicago's desperate for some kind of consistency. And if the two meet here who knows where these two teams could go Chicago wins and New York loses."

[1:18:27]" Well we I'm sure people remember last year's game -- Devin Hester returned that this field goal yup for a touchdown which but that's old -- now you know 108 yards big deal we've -- 10809 -- play this year a lot of but the bears defensive shell of it's former self they need Devin Hester in the worst way to spark their offense they got Rex Grossman back in there he still has that turnover bug. I know you are getting -- miserable day and I'm sure you know there were plans to have him. Killed you know for lack of a better word I gonna be killed -- Let's see it because with a couple more times but I think the fact remains is that that's what you get a different -- I mean that you're going to get your occasional stinker assortment. Okay I think you're going to heaviest pro league games on occasion I think he's going to have a -- games indication I think that's just what he is until he. Becomes just that your quarterback and the timetable different from everybody oh for everybody I expect the giants -- doubt they have to built back this year I simply to get a better football team I think corporate affairs is still kind of at --"

[1:19:36]" BS Sunday night game -- Cincinnati Pittsburgh I'll bring it up here because Pittsburgh obviously is on the patriots schedule in the next week as well. Cincinnati bounced back with a big win and I think some at least some of the people that I talked to this week. I kind of think that Cincinnati might be prime here to kind of put a little on at the end of the season may be too little too late for the playoffs but Pittsburgh you know -- Shall we say lackluster three nothing win over Miami in the -- this past Monday night being a short week for them I don't know what do you think."

[1:20:05]" Well on the if you just take kinda take a look -- what it happened with the Pittsburgh offense a wide and -- pass protection the last. Couple weeks I don't some people noticed that they beat the jets felt the blueprint on how to get Roethlisberger but actually started a week before that let's throw out three. Very interesting number -- yeah. Couple weeks ago the -- came into their game with the Steelers they had seven sacks and 18 not exactly the fearsome foursome. They got a lot of mercker four times. The week after the -- game any game with nine sacks and nine -- they accept it. Last month a result that came up with 12 seconds ten games they got -- Them that's a lot of -- okay that's 16 sacks the last three games since they'd get -- potent pass rush but when you're not protecting your quarterback like that. That's what's going to happen and the Steelers. There's this still this aura and I keep want to hear the word power running game. They don't have a power running game I still think Derek -- you don't look like they were headed about. Setting up. Run -- setting the past with -- they look like they're getting to that they certainly -- do that last week out last week's game was an abomination don't get me wrong okay there was absolutely terrible but the offense is really struggling to protect their quarterback and -- they get an issue dealt with Cincinnati about -- Cincinnati's -- in Pittsburgh the last two years this is become a rivalry with the road team wins. Since then he certainly has patella the big things -- I think you know Chad Johnson. Has had some really good games against the Steelers on occasion and but T. J. Houshmandzadeh but the guy -- was really frustrated Pittsburgh the last few years."

[1:21:58]" And my guess would be that he'll have an opportunity to do so on Sunday night I I don't I don't go as well so."

[1:22:04]" Yeah I don't need a little banged up a lot of this will depend on protecting Carson Palmer Tom Carson -- put up this year decent numbers but he also had games where he's thrown the ball number couple weeks ago it's cart policy and four interceptions reading Antrel Rolle to that was returned for touchdowns. The penalty away. Carson Palmer was a penalty away from being do you like getting two weeks ago. Of course we -- they -- Carson Palmer effigy and -- like we do that he like panic right but he with a penalty away from joint fourth pick -- haven't really returned for touchdowns which is what happened that you like an only."

[1:22:44]" Right that brings back full circle -- the -- in the ravens on Monday that the ESPN game and you know I mentioned earlier here in the program Russell that you know before the season started when you play the you know win loss win loss game on the schedule."

[1:22:57]" Yes they did indeed very good despite. Certain Sports Radio station which I won't mention -- go ahead."

[1:23:03]" Absolutely but you know what here's the thing everybody. I'm I'm I'm willing to wager here that most everybody had this is an L for the patriots who --"

[1:23:13]" Well given what we saw the end of the year last year yeah I had the very least there I would say the very least pick up because these 13 I don't think. I don't think the patriots defense gets enough credit sometimes for being as physical as it is and I say that only in the light of we have such this. Aura of the Baltimore defense being the most physical in the lead or one of the most physical -- so other physical -- senses when they line up against them. Kinda get. Short changed for lack of a better word. It -- deep sense you know played much now we would seek additional few cracks the last few weeks and last week game against Philadelphia area directly. But in terms of physical play. That's kind of disappeared from the -- secure job I know Bill Belichick spoke glowingly agreed. And he -- dynamite year not only. Well that's safety. But that return the -- first touch -- this year. Any opener of course -- also called the the ball upon return touched nobody nobody capable the last I. But directly at the mystique of the ravens and what they do to you and it's surely disappeared. And I I finally arguably it did -- a -- do would rather defense special teams are going to be able even score -- this week."

[1:24:42]" And I think -- whether that happens. In all honesty is if the patriot shoot themselves in the foot somewhere."

[1:24:48]" yeah. Yeah I did I I could agree with you more I just I'm just having a tough time envisioning the Baltimore offense. And how they're going to make any day. -- because. Sure Willis McGahee could get it sure -- but where is going -- the short passing game going to come -- it's not like you can necessarily attack. You like -- attack that we went intermediate not deep okay. More complete get beat deep threat on occasions but. Worried that intermediate threat you know it let's start it is a 100% healthy play good so they don't really have this. They don't really have this outlet passing game tickets or quarterback out of trouble you know they beat them. And an -- passing game. Getting it. Those you know guys like that -- the patriots linebackers is the way you go after doing what but you know this semblance of offense. Or lack of offense that Baltimore had these days. Is bewildering time it I don't look at the year they want to Super -- I don't think what 21 consecutive quarters without scoring a touchdown which was my -- league I think. They want to win the Super -- later that year but their offense this year not only is it. Nonexistent this mistake pro and those are two deadly combination."

[1:26:12]" You know all all told I would have to agree with you but that's concerned this from could be ugly patriots are doing what they should be doing. Mom Russell thank you so much as always all I had one more question -- what are. Do you think the overall effect of Roosevelt Colvin -- on the IR -- that this team."

[1:26:30]" Well I think it'll it'll lessen that it affected the patriots have so many. Intermediate and interchangeable parts but it -- capable of better word. It hurts less than it would other teams but it wasn't like where's the vocal which just a role player this year. But they'll find a way -- figure out you know they've they've -- burnout particularly Troy brown the linebackers played everything else for that team."

[1:26:59]" They'll get you you know it's true political hide evidence title on the line implement outside linebacker when they could publicity they could play listen don't spell check you don't buy it buy play or fight to. In which you have four realignment the two outside to inside linebackers put Troy like them at all. As -- you don't like applaud it and play you know topic handle Randall -- and the back. Against Baltimore's offense that actually might work. I -- all the way to get it done their ability goatee that more resort as well Anders goatee that more interchangeable."

[1:27:36]" That's very true. Our Russell thank you very much for the time today always appreciated and will Chad -- mentioned. My pleasure look forward to exploit Washington -- apathy -- active baby he dug it up thanks resin. You Russell Baxter NFL research coordinator for he has been in joining -- that he does every Thursday. -- patriots play book I got another little special treat for you here on the program in addition to a I know -- Brian billick in the continent conference call early we do of the conference call from ravens linebacker ray Lewis. Ray Lewis all the scored had he -- get -- scenario."

[1:29:50]" Making up for a few questions rent"

[1:29:54]" I I didn't want to make -- great match that I -- said this footballers in the last final moment I mean you guys don't even have to probably have been up every -- different issues and be important from a different -- all of -- very it is right now as good -- Amanda I think want to think it would -- quickly."

[1:30:13]" Well I guess you know one we added it. Insensitive I hope it doesn't he's done you know that the power of the -- on -- that situation where we we back and forth where."

[1:30:32]" I don't and so this start but there's no way I can be one of my closest friends and we're talking about -- a -- while I don't understand that and that's why I didn't want to have this conversation -- government sent an album you know it would by the -- I've never -- the stadium definitely is -- to try to -- stuff -- that someone that life in -- really -- quiet and -- I have been easy and as a religious beliefs -- it is like football anybody is capable and Diaw -- bit and get that is we could. I'm good because everything goes man is -- it has -- important to they're about as."

[1:31:15]" Is that going to be -- focus on football on Monday night"

[1:31:18]" it's rough man you know you don't you don't you know you -- someone like dead inning it -- place. -- play you know this is a young guy who you know reached out and means is he's a great guy may -- great guy and so you know educate yourself like that you know without someone. You know respecting who -- isn't what this -- and and I'm just you know and I'm just going to spend -- and understand -- and life -- is way more important than any -- and anything that everybody just talk about -- right now -- for the -- family -- when -- 60s -- and everything -- the --"

[1:31:58]" You think -- Wasn't understood the way he's been portrayed in the media."

[1:32:03]" Of course of course every you know that this part of every incidence in that you bring all of -- old stuff and it hasn't -- one has been victimized people want you know -- somebody comes -- doesn't count and people have the nerve to pull a disaster -- nobody goes that that disturb it does disturb. Do you see a young guy pure and and then -- you know found itself as a -- situation whatever but when he immediately looked. Is perhaps -- he's been too -- that that's -- I don't I don't I don't -- where respect -- and so I don't think he was totally understood and certainly the -- that you know a lot of people -- to -- his -- is that frustrating it's frustrating -- it took -- of the young -- and 24 years -- is -- and and -- it was Sunday and thank -- came from a -- I'll watch -- reason god that's -- misunderstood I think the cardinals --"

[1:32:59]" Great team where did you learn anything special. Fans -- things."

[1:33:03]" I mean I mean not that Monday practice Monday you know everyday men have been ranked -- just keep going to keep my motivation going to keep you know. That just keep this beer you know programs I -- my -- IQ in that regard that as does if you remove you totally from. Totally from the world expectation as an associate that -- is really real it has -- improvement you know we only get one we only got one it's ironic coming. Johnny come back and that's what. You know to detained at team and pole hole in his memory is just really nicely most of you know what to say god you know what if have been selfish and a lot of things about themselves is about you know win -- lose in about itself -- That's ought to give me. The Cuban people could still meet people bigger problems and I could ever have an influence on him when it hit. The -- explain. I want I want to guys with there's no way I can explain -- you know dislike you are put together and to people who little man you know life. For the hurdles and someone you can't go around or is typical witnesses or harder to go through. Ditto that we environment and distance and distance -- you know so. Everything particular and so."

[1:34:17]" And it's you -- you and it clueless it is to win that was."

[1:35:45]" hard is it to walk away from your past. I mean it mean that the way they a lot of young football players grow up then that means it's this. You know Blackmon targeting black -- how hard is that to."

[1:35:59]" I don't think it got dark and I think they're ready these keep missing these days is not -- portable -- a -- are part of about you know they got an -- bowl. You know so no matter what you do you have any contracts in the paper everything is always publicized. To go to -- You know also ultimately you know where they constantly do you know someone is going to get whatever efficient do whatever is so hard to what was it has -- a lot of you know a lot of things that you know this -- you know -- Japan -- the round you know your business to business. You know I don't walk around problem this year Mabry takes so -- started to put that smart business and it does not quite as an elected you know so -- all of that people desire to the world. You know things -- because that it doesn't -- it only creates an opens up things like crazy like this so delicately. When you really realize it ain't -- that -- up which a president but I also want to keep Japan is going."

[1:37:00]" As of course that was of course -- ray Lewis so linebacker for the Baltimore ravens. Just a minute ago here from Gillette stadium with conference call members of the patriots media and obviously does not present at all that he was -- about you know Sean Taylor passing this week and that you know he's probably got quite a bit on his plate. -- vital the latest on. The investigation into his his killing was that there's some talk in the league circles. On again pro football -- dot com says this a couple of other outlets are -- reporting this as well that Sean Taylor was murdered by a former friend now on troll role whose cardinals cornerback who's known Taylor since there were kids played all with Baylor at Miami. Told the Associated Press that this was not the first incident that they quote been targeting him for three years now they say it was a burglary it was actually not a burglary. Down south where we're from there were many people talking to show on a lot of jealousy a lot of angry people. Shawnee of this large group of friends and he no longer hung out -- these friends so you never know where this came from. That's what central role told the Associated Press. Of course that goes right up against and contradicts what to the Miami police are saying that they have no evidence right now no leads. And their thinking at least they're quoted as saying that this was a random event. The Miami police spokesperson Robert parker said we have no reason to think this was anything other than a burglary or robbery involving an intruder. Period and no suspects. Interest in store and when you at what ray Lewis had to say into the mix -- it it just gets curiouser and curiouser does not. Patriots that injury report for week 13 is out Kevin Faulk again did not practice today. But with his thigh injury although he is quoted several sources including the Boston Globe that he hopes to still play. -- on Monday maybe the extra day will do him some good here. Limited participation today was Tom Brady and Wes Welker has been out now via a team decision the last two days so over the it was okay it was west but my guess would be it probably personal matters. On and that's it -- the only three players listed on the participation injury report four today and of course one more will be done for you tomorrow. So that the latest we're that is concerned. Arm in case you had not heard by the way. The pro football Hall of Fame announced the semifinalists again for enshrined meant -- this next year and yet Andre -- it is. Again candidate for enshrined into the pro football Hall of Fame 26 semifinalist listed overall. The -- selectors. As again chosen these semifinal from a list of -- 124 preliminary nominees. The list is 26 which is one more than the required 25 because there was a tie for the final possession -- The first time finalists this year include linebacker Rickey Jackson and defensive tackle Cortez Kennedy each of the remaining nominees has been on the semifinalist at least once prior to this year which of course includes -- separate bomb. It will be reduced by a mail ballot this list of 26 will be reduced by a mail ballot to 15 modern era candidates now. -- it did make that list of 15 last year if I'm not mistaken. He made the list of 15 last year but unfortunately did not make the final cut the list this year will increase to 17 finalist nominees with the inclusion of two recommended candidates of the Hall of -- seniors committee two seniors committee nominees are Marshall Goldberg -- Emmitt Thomas Goldberg played the Chicago colonels back in 1930s and 40s. Thomas played for 1966 W eight was a cornerback with which Kansas City Chiefs. So they have -- to be included because the seniors committee wants the men. And then the modern era vote will include 15 more final and those finalist. Will be announced in mid January so. Obviously on or off and running good looking into Andre -- hopefully he can make that final list again -- we get his induction -- probable for him which would definitely -- Are so we're going to wrap up today at least because we're approaching the end of the other 3 O'Clock -- Going to give you another listen in to well what makes the Baltimore ravens to. Brian billick has been shall we say one of the more vocal. Head coaches in the national football. Some would say he's focal point of conceit. While others would say he's not that appears show another think he's a brilliant tactician in a very good football coach and maybe somewhere and as is the case usually. In all instances maybe somewhere in the answer lies in the middle. What do you think. At any rate will let you listen in to. Bob Baltimore ravens head coach Brian billick and then of course next week on the Monday Night Football schedule. I did this yeah I got that Korea I've got that arm we'll get to the money affable schedule because of the patriots playing a money -- patriots Monday programming. Next week will be on Tuesday so we'll be back with you for our next edition of patriots playbook next Wednesday and Thursday as we talk about Pittsburgh Steelers and recap the game with the Baltimore ravens here is ravens head coach Brian billick."

[1:42:38]" It politics and raving about agreed a couple of days and every joke that he wanted to adopt him. That he really was Superman cape and he -- ads that are you know."

[1:42:52]" He's just so close up you could state that the that it got here. It feels like he's been here forever like 12 -- 50 year that because he's been so productive social leader on this team. Community I -- you get really young player. No question he's been able to do it and the waist and director."

[1:43:18]" you talk about the challenge of Monday night facing the patriots team."

[1:43:23]" God -- try to you know that's exactly what this team -- obviously this year hasn't been what we had hoped it would be for a lot of different reasons and to play what is not even arguably the best he mentally kind of activity in this good a long time and so that's just the challenge that our players need to pick on what is the best team in the league and -- we --"

[1:43:44]" Your thoughts of."

[1:43:49]" Source it's hard to play games. In today's game that you don't have somebody coming back. All or or you go someplace where you have supplement your squad that is going back home just in today's tragic nature of the game and it's hard not. How can be given basis AP -- big part of this team for along time kind of look here with this team was great player was great citizen very very much mr. Baltimore and two I'm sure there will greet him."

[1:44:17]" Murderer -- Right I know that you have respect for all teams in your respect for the patriots that this is surprising devastated to see any team undefeated this what this season."

[1:44:28]" It is you know you go into the season and and or use the analogy to the team. Win 16 games in a -- No conventional thinking says no. But when you have a team with a conference don't let them count experiences patriots have. Do they look at it every week do they say can we win this game we yes and it's -- that you do that 60 content that you get through yes it is a cat as I alluded to earlier the transitory nature of the league now because account it's. It makes order ordered two -- before that you have to respect accomplishment even more."

[1:45:09]" Those he's -- a great deal of respect. That each team has for each others that stems right from the coaching guys that play is."

[1:45:59]" What is what is gone wrong is less about five games ago."

[1:46:03]" Well local -- that task in the offseason trying to identify you don't want to dismiss that key injuries. But at the end of today oh we will go through the analysis -- know -- that when you lost the players that we lost and now I. I don't that would give Torre exhaustive analysis offseason -- that very conclusion but you can't just listen to that you have to look -- if you need to look at what they're -- last year. 13 1450 and near the top little league this year -- flip side and there's a lot of reasons for that but you can't give into that and sort yourself and crying your -- Doctors or future that you embrace the challenge where -- it's -- quarter's a quarter as the -- it was a tight end it got treat rookies often sliding country -- an offensive line that you embrace such --"

[1:46:56]" Coaches thought that you need to be balanced on offense but certainly -- this year especially the last couple games. Yeah they're they're running game has has slipped back a little bit that you have your team win like this thrown -- as -- they have."

[1:47:11]" Well I think there they have the capability dubious balances they want to be going again and doing whatever they think they have to do to move the ball. I've ever -- to believe but it just like -- the pastor kept -- probable that you throw 200 you they have the capacity you vote I don't know it's against fall -- passed by design because they thought they can do to do what could be -- the other way they're capable of -- kick that definitely game planned out credible deterrent to."

[1:47:45]" And I correctly -- you were with the vikings -- first year 98. Curious when when you look. Looking at the patriot Morton dean leading into this game and you see the same guy in -- this year that that you remember years."

[1:48:02]" Obviously I had a huge affection for -- you know. You know we -- that term superstar that you need to put from my liking that those are those are -- and -- player that's ever been in this game I -- a when he was just a puppy and he was great to be -- really -- was huge -- Great triple. And then obviously tracked him through his his trials tribulations and I'm happy for red. I'm happy for him to found a place with the organization quarterback like Tom Brady that hopefully can. Allow him to exhibit his talents -- stay focused on his talents and remove some but it always that is. Followed him throughout the year 'cause he's deserving of having success of these and not being looked in -- and -- of the great --"

[1:48:52]" Yesterday AM Ron Jaworski was hold on a conference column and you know how he breaks down at eight I. He felt pretty big he gets into that NFL -- studio and and get and coach tape and is able to. A look at it and he made the point that in the last game against the eagles he felt like -- took some plays off. On the backside and it's something that you know I couldn't have spotted in looking back over the game myself -- I'm curious one if you are that. And two if that's something that in 98 was something that you had to look to look at maybe be concerned."

[1:49:27]" Yeah replica patriarchate that's about it just so past. That 98 -- and that'll be all time scoring record and bill this this team running high level of efficiency. I think that type thing is overblown. If you -- stick a Polaroid snapshot of any player at any given time you could probably find in instance. Player baby was not 100%. Beetle focused more -- off the ball I mean this topic is okay and so if you choose to isolate those things I'm sure you could find it but I don't put much --"

[1:50:12]" right you mentioned earlier about things had been really gone as well as you like them out -- club this year that being case. Playing the patriots obviously there's a lot out of state perfect record I mean does that give you guys any extra motivation not that you need any but that this is some somewhat I mean I know you're not officially out of the playoff picture -- I mean this is almost you almost treat this game like the intensity of a playoff game."

[1:50:41]" Well you know that intimate that the other games. You don't treat them -- games going forward. You might not -- same way you go to pasture -- it could be a trust of course which wrote player right now plus plus play the best -- not. We've had difficulties injuries some of the things we have a call but what's the value -- playing someone that's that struggling or. You know let's let's play the best -- about it and to all the due on Monday night the whole World -- it would agree it certainly gave my players focus this week. It's not going to be an issue the next two quickly England Indianapolis and -- just kind of challenge that you want to have your team -- the position we are right now you've got to find challenge -- to find out more patient and these these two teams sure exactly which we need right now as odd as that sounds. -- first got."

[1:51:38]" Speaking you vote motivation and you you you probably had been asked this question few weeks ago partly Baltimore there in Cuba how did you interpret the comment by Dale's house of Sports Illustrated when he was comparing. The ravens and the patriots how things are differently at each place"

[1:51:59]" you know I don't pay much attention to it's Ortiz. You know it was a big part of what we do that we all have a huge huge -- set warriors big part of community. And -- he was very appreciative of the things done for him here it's always a little. Disconcerting sometimes when players would inevitably will cool way need to. Two grabbed a 32 sound -- for whatever reason they choose to. You know and but it is what it is I didn't see it I don't pay much attention to it and understand the nature albums types of things are set and which is too soon verdict to keep my. Perspective detail yes what it has been which is a great young man the privilege to coach for what is yours yours."

[1:52:51]" one ready it was a little. If I think your players maybe. You motivation."

[1:53:01]" Competitiveness between. Players make comeback go back to where they weren't so I don't know. I've got your approach that they -- two months younger than you talk about competing in trash talking and but he still you're brought it up to go to compete against your brother I think personally open that would ever set up emotions more. I don't pay much attention to it there's there's the NFL. There's the challenge the competitiveness the camaraderie relationships. And then there's all that stuff that you guys to and they seem to be very separate times players get on into and I think the performers what the players stay focused on in an -- focus."

[1:53:45]" it to a few more quick -- that that 98 vikings offense versus the patriots offense can you just compare and contrast to the in terms like -- all the way. You know an idea and went about things in the way -- patriots and go their similarities -- these two really didn't."

[1:54:04]" What factors it is very mean that was a very very talented group in 98 a magnificent job but just try to stay out of it. And letting them let that talent cup before receivers the outside to the depth at running back approximately -- corporate tie it and we had 31 round draft -- offensive -- Randall Cunningham did -- magnificent job managing that team as well distinct difference certainly has talent but Tom Brady you can't help but -- obviously impact and -- we alluded to that earlier but Tom Brady it's out of it again and kind of perverse sense I actually enjoy watching film Tom Brady because these planes as an efficient. Lewis game decider perceive -- quarterback position -- from a from a coaching artistic standpoint -- operate at all -- With Tom Brady. That doesn't minimize or. -- diminish what they're doing scheme wise what player wise but it's it's amazing to watch him operate it and and that's going to be the challenge"

[1:55:16]" it would. Your first quarters have been tough patriots first quarter as an overwhelming how important is just getting through the first 15 minutes going to be on Monday night."

[1:55:27]" They -- played great team like that. That that's going to be very we can't turn the ball beat the patriots certainly don't -- short field to continue to do what they're doing and that's been that's darknets you know we don't turn the ball over. We've we've done some pretty good thanks but we turned the ball parties at short he'll take ourselves away missed one opportunity after -- it is hard to win as is evidenced by our. Record it's that that obviously something that this has to be afforded but by the same token you you can't play game. -- sole purpose. Being to not turn the ball you have to be more aggressive but that's exactly what do it try to make this top of the patriots we can't you know report and -- defensively offensively special teams too much pressures we can't on this team that you have"