Patriots Playbook - 10/1/2008

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[0:40]" And inside the playbook for a Wednesday I'm John -- here Patriots dot com radio wants to get to. Mike for an people and Patriots football weekly choices as he normally does on Wednesday hitting good evident today Mike. A couple of good questions during the -- felt that press conference a couple of players in the locker room Randy Moss that he today talked about being captain. And what that means to him I was okay -- had a couple of -- answers some questions go well we'll get a job and then in the the the in addition to what Mike today in the second arbor program -- Randy cross CBS television analyst Patriots pre season television analyst of course -- yeah. Former all pro. Offensive lineman for the sent -- 49ers. He's going to join us from the program as well give it to suburbia. 49ers conference call time permits in the second our first thing I wanted to hit on the Mike is -- the -- touched on briefly. On what's earlier today in the immediately it's that is the fact that the Al Davis and his rant and -- vote. On Lane Kiffin which by the way is just that we discussed in the man it's completely. Lost his morals. What he mentioned that he accuses the Patriots to tampering. In bringing Randy Moss to New England isn't a very complex proposal. I don't know if senility has clearly said in here although Bill Belichick did not he did not comment directly. You know no."

[2:01]" Just kind of brushed off a little bit of America a -- I don't think anybody here really take -- Davis hauled in your sleep sending Randy Moss we -- that they use Kyle -- does that mean come on come on. I don't think anybody's really make -- a big deal out of it. It did he -- she quickly you know and he never going to really know -- truth until somebody comes on as one way or the other. He claims that they worked out more foreign trade."

[2:26]" A lot of times you don't find out about true these things until twenty or thirty years of double wide exact claim is is that they've they've worked him out before the trade. Davis'. Davis -- comment was actually that the Patriots -- worked out with Moss before they -- got him in the trade. And that's really looking that they."

[2:46]" Oh well yeah -- going about Michael Lombardi his yup -- per now a guy there. And how he kind of -- they'll check in on what was going on Moss could still play there are those kind of -- being out there a lot of loose ends haven't been tied up but. The press conference ended up it up was very humorous if it again and once yesterday. You know I'm not sure -- after most -- yeah wasn't it funny how things sometimes work on the other side of the -- ninth."

[3:12]" I gotta tell yet you know I watched. ESPN's interview of Lane Kiffin after Irvin was done as well yesterday. And I actually felt sorry for the guy I thought he definitely took the high road and I thought he definitely did the right thing because it made. Davis looked like more of complete both. And think how far he has fallen when you consider how high and mighty he was at one time in this league. The man is a mere Shell of himself and -- about Art -- here although he keeps coming back are excellent frankly surprised he didn't you know go to him again as a coach year. But I I I I think the whole thing. Is this this is where the NFL needs to step up and say okay what's in the best interest of the league here because this franchise. Is being destroyed by the man who built it."

[4:00]" Well I think you know I do feel all right the -- on the -- much chance he'd there. But he has also guilty of publicly criticizing players coaches and personnel and you can't do that and that's ultra yeah I I mean they're both the blame for the and I think you know any any kind of put it best of both they're both kind of line means all there it harder to pick out one -- sympathetic figure. Obviously you would pick Kiffin because Al David history of this meddling in. He has never had it in in recent history head coach survive much longer than a couple of years well this is for coach now since in six years as the Super Bowl -- you start to think you know -- maybe it's not the coaches and maybe ten. Other -- hiring that coaches are you giving your coaches that players think you're doing a little bit of both it exactly and music it is both you know I mean it not. It never one thing you know it never does the blackened wage though. And I have to take Danica iteration I don't really know her but I do know active and and things that he probably shouldn't a done in some of that has probably from any parent you know I mean you know you being a coach in the league what."

[5:05]" Well as any kind of -- you should act and that got on the job properly the guy got the job at age 31 so Al Davis should have known that he was going to get somebody you know inexperience is someone -- It relatively immature compared to. Others he could've hired but he got him because he knew he could probably getting some more on the cheap. And easy and I'm sure he thought the time he was somewhat pliable and would do what he wanted to do do and one Kiffin decided that you don't have a spot in the in one run his own show it was almost like oh how dare you I gave you your shots. And and that's the biggest problem I have -- is -- Kiffin completely blameless no of course not now. But at the same time though you know when you hire a coach you have to give the coach some latitude. To do the job that he thinks he needs do in order to do what you wanted to do and that's win and I don't believe -- any point did Al -- really think Lane Kiffin could win for him. That's that's that's to me just that that's a farce and if you have to pick a sympathetic side to me it's it's gotta be kept them."

[6:01]" Well Al Davis incident that he gave him the players to win. -- based on the three page letter that he wrote to get into the beginning of the year they take this week it went with the team we can win with Jamarcus Russell can win with players that we nine. And he also point out you know totally different hey you were in handles the signing -- Gibril Wilson. And both the traffic and even the even the players who he went panel of players who early in camp that you wanted to keep back I you wanted to cut back -- I mean a lot of finger pointing going on now letter I think his point was that you're not fully Independent on a personal decision here. Now -- you can't say well you gave me bad players and I couldn't coach his players he he in that those were a lot of the players telling Kiffin wanted to. But it pencil who you believe meted."

[6:46]" Well it's hard to believe anybody in the exact -- part of it is I I I'd ten decide to consider the tracker to attend a subtle but more with Kiffin. In this instance which is why I think he's a little bit more bit of a sympathetic figure. In this particular case and undoubtedly he'll find a spot to land and in. You know he's got great bloodlines with his father in in in he'll be -- probably end up my guess is he'll be leading candidate to replace Greg Robinson at Syracuse. That's my guests DL are people in that that can happen right away in my -- is a benefit for bringing him in right now. Other than they get a snow yet a lot of them getting to know players and he's our coach next year. And you really can't I don't know the end of league rules completely but he started on any sort of recording right now I'm thinking he really Laney college -- I think it's oh he's the job in Italy has the job I'm in other words the thing is that hypothetically the agreement now. -- because you are doing now and then for next year."

[7:37]" Well he'll be out there I I -- that's almost unprecedented usually when you -- when you fire coach. Mid season in college which were happened even more rarely obviously that it does in the pros and you allow one of the assistants on the college stepped take over in the interim to finish out the year. I could see that scenario happening at Syracuse all the while. You know Kiffin. Maybe maim and maybe they what they do is maybe they announce his hiring and he comes in and he just observes as you suggested and learns his personnel. And also learned the assistant coaches that are on the staff and decides. You know maybe who's worthy enough to stick around in is he going to clean house I mean sure I can see that happen and but. I you know it's just so hard to do because kids are so and college players here. That's tough paid professionals -- one thing. These kids are not paid professionals. In -- some people think well you don't you know 150000 dollar scholarship is not the same as you know cash money only. And so in that regard. Kids are our fragile and they came -- the school. To play for the coaching staff that they have pricey you have to realize that that they're not just a rack of beef. That that they do have feelings and then if they -- the head coach that they came to play for. No matter how you know misguided they're they're at their feelings are the guy it's gonna record for the rest of the year. So my body is is that even if it's not it even if it's not going to what you wanted to go if you feel like you have to make the change. That you could certainly allow one of the assistant to take over an effort to prove himself. And bring in a guy like Kiffin who become overseeing things as easy just to learn the players learn the coaches learn the system where in the college game. Plus at that stage you Ku would. Get a start on recruiting for February."

[9:21]" notes due to back I mean now is you can get a head start and he's giving your players the guys who could return. A reason to believe in pain and other -- and you get to know the battle and -- that's exactly yup that's right may get played the I'll go round that's right and started doing it doesn't get the player much time to do it during the off season -- maybe -- chance that he comes in now. He could build a mall foundation in know who's coming back next year what he has noted -- the --"

[9:46]" Sure of course the connection realism and wondering is that Daryl gross when he was an associate -- the athletic director at USC that's when Lane Kiffin was spending his time is. Offensive coordinator. -- USC's of that for the relationship -- Lies in Kevin's name has been bounced around a little bit certainly would answer accuse circles as being. -- likely candidate if not the lead candidate should Greg Robinson's tenure in the rather quickly Robinson has done nothing but. I just can't believe -- Far south this -- fortunes have fallen in number of years. You know when he was with Kansas City as a coordinator there. I think he was pretty well fought and that he took and assistance job. With the University of Texas over couple years defensive coordinator and I think you become a sense. When they had a coaching change of Kansas City he leapt to combat the college ranks and the good sets after Mack brown hired him at Texas that. Something wasn't quite right. In fact that's when they actually brought in. Intrinsic. After Greg Robinson left to take all the Syracuse job he could immediately see improvements. In Texas defensively in the course choose -- for Iowa State. Now they go what must champ who's the hot you know commodity coaching wise. In the college ranks now on the you know guys who. You know had a YouTube outburst last year at Auburn -- need to junior Emerson and I want briefly yeah I was it was a classic YouTube clip. Where he would you know he went off on now when -- was play Arkansas. Anyway. -- kind of progress in the predicament but this is the background -- college coaching circles just the ravenous here. And so Robinson. I think the kind of felt like -- during his time at Texas something happened where he -- Stopped being creative -- stop utilizing personnel they I don't know what the deal was but demands clearly lost his touch. He's won eight games in four years and he's still got to seven more to play this year. It doesn't look good I I would say that that he would have to be candidate be fired with the years."

[11:43]" Well let me there are other opportunities out -- kept him in the -- here and down you know -- we're going to find out sooner rather than later yeah -- You know he'll coach somewhere I think he'll be -- I was impressed with. And I think that I wasn't too thrilled with -- he's taking shots at people -- the -- I don't think that on the coach do the coach at the president there. On a player does that when one guy at a 53 does it hard to keep the card and everybody on the coaches doing it setting a bad example. W my biggest beef but I think -- and I was impressed with the fact that he get those guys play for in the last 34 week the season under the of those circumstance. That's -- impressed of those guys don't work hard for him. And he won a game and you know they gave one away to give one elegance while yet but you know they played hard for him and you -- that locker room. That that this is like Scott Linehan. Who they say it's completely lost control the locker room and I did not have the backing of the players while the players are backing -- and Oakland. Why all so. Yeah MA is something it is Brett dowdy in his ability maybe a lot of it has dude is -- but his ability to relate to the players that level. And I think that's in college but even bigger -- be a little bit closer so. You know maybe there isn't chance there and I do think he's going to coach again I think he's going to do well this could be like this could be like the Mike Shanahan thing all over again. Ralph David -- my chance after you know twenty days again it was going to Williams an eagle on -- you know that he goes on to be -- Shanahan."

[13:07]" Right right to visit our ability very good point let me get back to some old business from yesterday's -- use them. Eric scallop you know came in yesterday to sit in for -- lows -- for -- up. And we had an interesting email question. It's been talking about how running backs generally. Generally speaking. Good running back great running backs in the NFL start out. Great but the words it's rare in the NFL. Where you find a running back it was a well -- when he drafted come in and develop into you know a game breaker type of backe just you don't see it often. And it was and we kind of kicked around some names and and generally wins that the whole process came down to. We thought that the the E mailer Todd was actually pretty accurate -- assessment because we're talking about Laurence Maroney. And I've been able to come up with one running back. Who I think is certainly a candidate for the Hall of Fame at this stage but. When he came into the league he did a lot of development because when he candidly was primarily a third down back if that if that at best in the."

[14:12]" Tiki Barber yet the guy part of your attitude who did not get off to a great -- Guerrero did but I know primarily because he had trouble on poke ball right there was a big flaw in his game it on the that they had talked about over the years. It and he really has peaked toward the end of the Giants. If you watched couple of the games they've played a lot of the broadcast team to point out it would show clips are still shot of him holding the ball you know seven years ago. And the way he holds -- now. And as a marked difference in how he held equals his body. Did not leave it out where it can be pulled from behind and the ball to be knocked loose though he did make a change there in that regard and that is why it's a big reason why. He was. Order of that that's why he developed into that every down back also it's opportunities do a lot of the backseat do mentioning it out slow start. Maybe -- look at the carries early in his career and then once they do they can develop from there have there are it is an alliance."

[15:05]" Absolutely yeah a lot of time knows though though but those opportunities don't happen with the initial team right that selects them which is why. Guys can get you know a little bit of day of or rep for being had been someone bounces around or being someone who doesn't live up to potential because the opportunities not there. The difference -- Laurence Maroney and this is what -- reference in yesterday for those that. Work part of the program -- in Indian your chance to listen when reverence and you know was certainly. -- opportunity. And my whole point about Laurence -- is. I've always thought he's talented he's got tremendous talent he's got great ability. But the problem is he can't stay healthy he's not durable. And in that regard he is not what I believe the Patriots initially thought. They were drafting when they selected him out of Minnesota couple years ago in my guess is if they had a do over. My guess is that considering what LenDale White is turned it two for Tennessee that that would be more than accurate representation of what the Patriots were actually looking for. When they selected around all that --"

[16:09]" Away it was one of the guys like an intractable quarterback and he slipped all the -- 45 yeah -- surprise of that bar on a weight issues are with -- yet they're primarily yes there were -- yeah Leno -- to it and their ability has been addicting to vote he's been out there has been in the ice and in the backfield and people always talk about. How he dances at times and hasn't hit the hole hard enough and doesn't just run straight ahead in that he's running side idol too often that beat -- to. And that and that of the weekend that can be corrected you think -- tennis it can never be changed by. You look at it Tiki Barber who had. Problems fumbling earlier in his career that can be -- through mechanic can you really pick a guy who. Is that I'm dancing in trying to cut back in and make a move in the back field before he has lowered is that than you can pick and."

[16:56]" We know him. I honestly. I think those things that you can work on but it's gotta get to play -- to be able to apply after many years yeah I don't I don't see a lot of that from Lawrence and I don't know now governess. I don't know if he doesn't get it. I see flashes of him wanting to avoid you know some of his old habits but that all of us that we see old habits creep back -- and they just what you think he's got it -- he hurt shoulder EM rules and he tweaked ankle. The -- is just not durable he is -- now. Frankly -- to the point now where. I'm ready to cut bait with Laurence Maroney. A lot of people would agree you on that mean this has been now what thirty -- yeah so -- you know I was going number one pick he needs and he was drafted as a franchise back he was the reason the Patriots obviously when it decided to give up on. On on and Corey Dillon obviously of the Corey Dillon's days at all as to Bible that time. -- because of the punishment he's taken analyst and got him on the downside of his career it. So that's fine but you know they gambled on Maroney being the replacement. And I just don't think the big gamble. I understand why they took him I can certainly see the talent that they saw I won't question you know the football ability. But the durability is a huge question the guy can't play football if he doesn't stay healthy."

[18:13]" Well it comes down to whether or not his island college translate in the NFL I think a lot of what he did in college work because players are being fast. Get that all of late that nobody would catch up with a -- he has great speed is a great BB can get back -- that tackling is that did you get to this level it's harder to do that. I only got a little bit quicker here in the NFL and it's not as easy to dance around. There -- times news after the damn hole hard and on straight ahead and -- forward downhill runner. And he hasn't always been that now. Durability yet that's the question young he's only miss you think about it though going back to his rookie easily -- five games on a pop 32 in the regular season. Now he's been banged up and you wonder if those lingering injuries to affect his performance I think the big thing was he had a strong strong to -- last year. Any rain while the playoffs we all thought that was a carry over into 2008. And with the Byron bats that they can't beat figured it was a perfect role for him he would always have partially have other guys. And this hasn't worked out so maybe after three years when a first round pick that to invest a lot into maybe after three years. Perhaps that is in a time where you can -- evaluate in say definitively yes you'll work in the system don't Florida and you'll not. At that point it is and is what you do with them. Yeah kind of value is going to have on the market. Today there are many question mark I think it yet given the rest of the year you have to know what his contract situations -- the top of my head I don't. Unfortunate I looked up."

[19:43]" Yeah might yeah might well I just real reason I'm asking is because. Frankly you know if he doesn't play much the rest of the year and who knows I mean maybe comes back and I -- and five here. He signed a five era below five year deal as a rookie right so that he would still have two years left that he -- yeah that's kind of what I was thinking. They have at least a couple of years left so my guess is is that they stick -- one more yeah I think he's on our five year deal and no it. Well that's the case then he gets in in the year to this I don't think that the really in any hurry unless for some reason. You know they're willing to admit he's a bust in the in the just dump him but I don't see the Patriots do and especially in light of the fact that last year's draft was. Basically a blessed with the exception of meriwether."

[20:23]" Yeah exactly and haven't had a whole lot of product you know what even this year they have had a ton of production yet from the rookies other than Jerod Mayo drug mail and we thought Terrence Wheatley was going to make an impact. Hasn't really been on the field Jonathan will play has been on there than special teams Shawn Crable hasn't even been active and we don't know figured that make the pass structure. But Gary got his globe -- Gary guys made some plays you know but again it's not the big contribution that we thought I think at the beginning it can't a little bit of a -- in -- cart."

[20:51]" Com aren't so that was yesterday's business anyway and by the way web radio at Patriots dot com. 5 wait 5437482. That you get all of us here in the program. I -- This is you know as we -- look ahead toward you know it's -- disco and you know the game on Sunday at candlestick park. You know there isn't a whole lot of history between these two teams Mike -- of the year where this and most fans probably -- this is just the eleventh time in fact. That the two teams have never met in NFL history in in the early days it was all minors the Patriots have actually won the last two times you. That the teams have met but they haven't played in four years. Seven threes this series advantage. For a 49ers over the Patriots in that regard it probably does that mean a whole lot because it is not a whole lot of history. I think the one series record bill that would probably come into play for a lot of fans. In their mind going into this is the fact that we got yet again for the fifth time now. Bill Belichick versus Mike Martz that are just because. You know it starts back with the 2001 Super Bowl he got the defense against offense and obviously coach Belichick has had the upper hand that particular instance."

[22:00]" Yet -- of bullet go back then when they -- they shut down the grinch on terror and go back to 6 when mark was in Detroit. And the wind came here and gave the pats bite at a they want their -- when he when he won you look back on it I think I remember Kitna coming in. He had to do and he lit them up and that teamed up close and hurry though martz offense has had that. But he has that great person and I don't think they have the personnel to run that kind of offense and -- built they talked about the fact that they run a lot of point plus yardage plays. Maybe I can only Dallas in terms of the players on offense -- it who's running it past even that when used -- later that. Most that really are. Downfield -- not to dump it off and have a -- get the yards after the catch there have been a lot of big plays off and play you know part that can be complaints from it is well. On that yet to be critical of as well. I don't think GTO relevant as the quarterback to run it kind of offense when you think about the great Mike Martz teams yet Kurt Warner he had good -- Guys that keep in mind -- Sullivan came from Detroit with martz and since his remarks martz likes something that he season -- I just think that they'll check mark -- not had the chance -- an audience of that team and yet somewhat of and even -- nameplate at it's it's the Mike Martz often though. I don't have any reason to believe they don't stop now and I don't know how much of a factor francoeur is going to be. I know they said at the beginning the -- that Frank Gore is going to be the focal point of the offense but I feel at some point that Mike Martz and go back to he knows that. -- just throw the ball well you know -- Gore's going to get these out now."

[23:39]" Maybe this is maybe this is sort of an evolution thing is we saw the St. Louis offense. When martz was head coach that we saw that often basically all the way he had a great running back and Marshall Faulk -- and that sort of evolved away from Marshall. And that's what he's -- getting himself in trouble maybe that's what's happening here in San Francisco right now Frank Gore is the man. Guys had a heck of a start he's almost a hundred yards per game rushing he's pretty good receivers all the backfield they're utilizing him. In a lot of the same way that I think they utilized fall when when they were in St. Louis. Yet I think you know gore is a great. -- on the back and very soft hands he can make plays but that doesn't really beat downfield plays and run. -- either leaving -- and now and I hope they don't feel I don't really have their personnel yet I mean with the exception of book. And gushing over there Isaac as a true and then another player but I. MR -- has been getting old guys back and try to run any offense and kinda kind of but he it's interesting to note though that whatever is always done. In -- without two I guess with the lack a true game breaker. And I don't really put Isaac Bruce and I can category more that he reluctantly relived like more of a controlled game. And utilized the former Notre Dame quarterback Arnaz Battle that regardless battle leads the team in receptions. And."

[24:54]" Pretty good John I don't think they've been. Awe inspiring I was not impressed with the way the defense played against New Orleans on Sunday that kind of lead to believe that this game. May not be quite as difficult for New England I think coming off the Miami loss I think we were all of they're reactionary. And we started think geez you know you look at the schedule now and you really can't go to any easy games and if you -- to Miami only to lose anybody anywhere. That's kind of the -- at the same time I I don't -- to go out the difference is going to win that game I think there better overall football team. Defensively I think they'll have an answer from -- they can stop the run you know generally after gains like this state and the bounce back and make something happen. Some kinda led to believe that they'll figure this out and a comeback but it vengeance after having been embarrassed that we. I can't -- back to back performance like that team -- well could be wrong but I just."

[25:45]" We haven't seen that you know in in May be a decade or more haven't seen a long time now right. By the way just occasionally he's interested. As we mentioned is the fifth time that. Belichick's defensive mind battles Mike Martz as offensive mind which marks the offensive coordinator for the 49ers under head coach Mike Nolan. But the one time that martz did get the upper hand on Belichick was the first time they met which was the regular season. Of 2001. It was that. Wasn't that Sunday night it was a Sunday night game. I think at -- time pristine night talking about you know on for the first time in -- want to -- yet awarded a grant came here in an inning in a -- played very well. They did he -- turtles and threw for over 400 yards and -- game Patriots played very well and representatives of their won't a lot of people public gets pumping again. It does probably one of the performance that really meet you feel he was real at that point even -- drop to five and five. I believe if I'm if I'm not mistaken. After that loss. Fact is they gave the Rams everything that wanted and then some -- from the papers. Ripped off several -- after."

[26:48]" Does it 2417. Loss they add up until that point but he did one. For -- five and seven. Going in that game they did jump to five in five and in the and it's off season and -- again right up when all the way it is it was a very good performance by the defense nineteen -- point -- point in me stop. Offense and it looked pretty good -- a game where the other -- came in the he said number packages his role considerable arm but he out. But they really didn't play in the commercials and signs a little bit of foreshadowing of that physical play -- put on display in the Superbowl. Later that season. And -- it and how to out muscled their hands in the Superbowl we saw signs."

[27:27]" That team in November. Actually -- you probably turn take a look at that game and say that may have been one of the real. Turning points not only for the Patriots to work in the Patriots have turned in one of the primitive you know teams and franchises in the league from that point in time. But that's where it started going downhill I think for Mike Martz. I mean after the game if you recall in the even before the game as I remember because it -- that was the first year that we did this program that we had launched Patriots dot comer who at the time so is obviously was big stuff -- or march. Was absolutely. Just slobbering all over Bill Belichick if he thought Belichick was the best thing since sliced bread. Here's a quote you that I picked up went back to the archives here. He says I mean this sincerely want to tell you that he's the standard were all trying to get to -- to develop taking may be as good as there's ever been. And the course the Patriots hung in there and then. I think starting with with the Super Bowl game I think he kind of thought that well I'm going to want to open here or -- this is a chess match. And the course from the Patriots started jamming the receivers the line of scrimmage and -- just you know he got indignities like you know how dare you I'm going to beat you at your own game. The Patriots you kind of sucker punched him with that one. I mean let's face it yet agers were out gained by what about a 160 yards of the total offense -- that Super Bowl Patriots sucker punched the -- that's suitable martz has never been the same sense."

[28:48]" Yeah and it's true that a law and actually start off. As a turning point you can launch something from that the Giants last year at the same thing when he lost the regular season finale. To the Patriot at the meadowlands. There was -- happy with the way -- played. They felt good go to player. I don't know how much a correlation there really was from that but you know the kind and the believe they say after because they did feel pretty confident that they've put in hand with these guys we we did that we can beat anybody in this conference. And sure enough they didn't get their shot second time its -- a similar story to think about. That was less in the giant who obviously. And they play the pass pretty tough indium fight and they get a chance to begin the Super Bowl and ultimately won that game with a similar. Iowa State game plan similar sort of -- when they were physical. They went after the offensive line made plays on these. Is it similar vibe about."

[29:41]" You know at the strategy then for for Sunday remains largely the same against the Mike Martz coached offense you have to try to disrupt what they're -- and I think in this particular residents you've got to figure out a way to slow down if not I'm not stop. Frank Gore -- just as often starts. And maybe even ends with him I think you have to -- the quarterback in the game he's been sacked nineteen times always we -- last week and in the loss -- New Orleans they got to him six times."

[30:06]" You get to him you'll get him down he will hold onto the ball he has done it time and apart that is of byproduct of the martz offense where. The want you to wait for comedy you know opening -- after 120 yard -- You got the whole ball for a minute that kind of what happens when you do that that is good and that's from nine -- good is that you can make big plays if you have the protection. We don't have the protection to protect it he'll back there and that happens so old and so part bite the numbers -- the record he's taken a lot of hit. Nineteen at fourteen hospital but a lot of it is yeah is on pace for like some like seven sacks on this team that can rush that -- we he'll be okay we did and that's that they between -- 2 in Miami. And it's and they think base no pressure completed haven't net when he passed and looked pretty damn comfortable doing it. So the pass rush absolutely has to be better on Sunday that it was against Miami or the team will not have a chance. You have to building after the quarterback."

[31:01]" That the yeah I certainly -- I think that's going to be a factor I bring up Frank Gore though because after watching what Ronnie Brown did two weeks ago. I cannot imagine for the life of me that we don't yet see gore try to be try to isolate himself against the Patriot defense we much like brown was against the Patriots."

[31:17]" Yeah and not just the gimmick plays and lining up with a running back behind center he was run the ball pretty damn well a lot of normal formations do. So we can't blame it on that you know I mean it was and that they always a club Garnett easily we carved up like what I mean the Patriots run defense is is going to be. Pushed to the test and it will not and I don't think you gotta look it to the inside backers in particular. And a male one Bruschi and they've got to stand up under the job and I think to Air France gonna try to get into the middle of the field at that at Duke -- and I. I -- Jets are on the Dolphins spread things out in the middle appeals wide open all day and Pennington completing easy passes -- to his tight ends. And that's the big man Vernon Davis on that side of the ball for the -- very big that target Belichick spoke glowingly about him today. And how fast he is and how he's probably the bat in the lead up on the niners are trying to work the won't know him well you workable."

[32:10]" All the Davis over the middle you have a guy like Arnaz Battle who's done very well you know with the possession receiving. And you run Frank Gore and you know you don't have much of a deep threat so if I'm the Patriots I'm thinking I'm put me in the box. You know on let's say all right you know if you're going to be if you don't -- us then. Be ready to -- go deep but that's what I'm thinking -- and maybe the Patriots polo. You know little something out of other -- the 49ers -- because of the 49ers. This year in in in recent years they've gone they've take a look at that big nickel. Policy which in defense -- themselves with a play with the extra safety maybe this is an opportunity for guys like Brandon Meriweather to comment. And and shown itself you know if they decide they want to go that route. I strategically against the niners."

[32:52]" I play has been much talk about that big nickel -- niners you they -- carved up by the big nickel in Seattle. Now it hasn't worked to perfection by any stretch and we -- New Orleans did last week well though. A couple of yards -- not so concerned about that I think at all if he isn't that big nickel -- it is -- unity throughout the game didn't even give him. And go back to the way he did in the Jets which were far more effective than what happened last week in Miami. -- we -- a figure that with the big nickel. Perhaps it -- chance downfield. On my serve they're going to try that because I the last it was a time to do that. Are they too we only played Miami this is a Miami team ranked dead last pass deep and and it -- just appeal."

[33:37]" So you know -- obvious that is another question when I think law and the other break free yeah obviously played honestly my -- you're going to get the feeling that's what a lot of fans are kind of waiting for -- like art when we gonna try to stretch the field. And you know you're right they they failed to take advantage of the opportunities that may have present themselves a couple of weeks ago and the Dolphins. And because you've got another of these fans that can't be somewhat susceptible to put the ball because they have an extra you know defensive back back there to kind of guard against the run of play that. Big nickel look this might be another chance and we don't see it now when will we see it. The fans like it because Moss caught 23 touchdowns last year so we know when he runs past somebody throw the ball out there is business -- out sometimes and and you know we've talked about many times in the past. How sometimes just to loosen up but these -- got -- a couple of big wishing Tom Brady do that many times yet you know need to sit okay this one you know. You know I'm going to sit out there you can try to go get it. We're not too worried about it we do something -- a -- defensively to loosen up some middle routes you have to take a couple of steps deep. Just to make the defense respect you and we haven't seen that. At all and I think that is what that's what bothers me and I and I certainly would be surprised that bothered most of it."

[34:52]" Play to go back to what -- comfortable with knack of doing and what he is comfortable doing because of the beginning of the year when talking about bringing in a new quarterback. The question always is do you on the scene plays that he changed things up and Belichick always says that you know that quarterbacks are comfortable doing different things and -- quarterbacks are comfortable doing this. We don't always ask the quarterback to run the exact same plays that he may not be comfortable doing it. So me the question is. There's an act has not have enough confidence to throw deep or does the team I have confidence in Cassel throwing deep. I they restricting him or is he not taken him because -- Concerned about his -- accuracy downfield but that's my big thing for him I think he's a tremendous arm strength Al think the ball is goes -- throw deep well."

[35:39]" I don't know that either one I think he's trying to do what the team has asked him to do. In terms of managing the game and recognizing the situation as they present themselves. And because so many teams have been so worried about Randy Moss in particular. That the underneath routes have been there and I I think all he's done. He is recognize what's there and try to take advantage of it and it's obviously worked to. Mixed results of this state. What I think -- separates you know Matt Cassel certainly from Tom Brady is the ability to sometimes you gotta shoot from the -- yeah and sometimes you have to recognize that okay you know Moss can go get this. And so maybe if you see one on one coverage on the corner rather than you know Kobe underneath route maybe to check off until -- This one's -- big Fella go get it and maybe he and I and obviously clearly isn't really done that yet to me that's that's the only difference. We can all honesty say that it would be a heck of a lot different. If Brady were there at quarterback now. Based on what defenses the other team was showing as you know. If Brady weren't there now the teams would be showing that much more respect to a guy like Randy Moss deep which they're forced going to leave the underneath stuff open and we've seen Brady take advantage of that time and time again. Well I know."

[36:51]" Brady's presence would have made much of a difference in Miami because the fans to do its job that the biggest thing he had no problem with the game management description of Matt Cassel. You cannot manage a team down one point. Now you're being asked to win the game. And we haven't seen others don't game management -- right middle management there now we have the throw the ball every down when our. You can manage the game you even comes out opposite team -- its own what they did against the Jets and did not to against Miami that they think. You know how much better than -- right now they're really would be different because they probably would have been that she's in the in the head with Brady -- there. But -- can they safely if they have allowed thirty points and Dolphins with Brady and there is probably in -- don't win all of quest to win it -- they lose it thirty to 35 it's more shoot out. That's going different."

[37:39]" Right Tom I think in terms of -- matchups then. You know whether or not you know Cassel have taken a couple of shots deeper some or whatever on Sunday. I think -- two look at who Moss can be -- up against and I'm guessing on that -- the offensive Walt Harris. "

[37:54]" Which would be a great matchup for -- as well are about a hundred years old -- And each other vehicle to get past Walt Harris and make plays but again got the coverage has to be there are galactic era all right and how dire need protection. He's going to need more protection than he had last week that's how the plays develop but today could they switch it that you put Clemens on him -- that. I mean I certainly would. -- I can imagine after a few big plays that I'm sure Clemens would be over there. I mean that guy put my number one corner again animal he."

[38:24]" I would think so I would think so that's why you know what I look at actual -- here -- would even be thought of regarding my I wouldn't give if finally if I'm thinkin'. You know -- the best way to slow him down and you know we're going to bring their big nickel over and you know and an effect try to double team Moss. And we got to restrict his moving off the line of scrimmage anyway I think -- put Nate Clements --"

[38:42]" The elevator in the you're kind of -- approach matters -- because we've seen teams two different things that slow down Moss. Whether it's double teams hovering in the -- over the top the want to chip met on a scrimmage -- things that are designed to take him out of his element. And sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't but. More than not this year it has worked you know they're cute actions when you look at the the big play he made in Chiefs game on the third and ten from his own one yard line. We now's probably the best -- his -- here. And unfortunately very patient and as big plays at all year. An animal he's running having yard out against the Dolphins who have the Jimmy he turned into a money to. Because he's run the short yard nothing getting out of bounds that's all they can do right now and that that that's not who we have an appetite."

[39:29]" Mike here's here's the other match of the really concerns me is that look at it from. From obviously -- standpoint because the Patriots have not really had much of -- really crow about two of the running game either to this point in time. And I think you've got to be able to establish the run somewhat certainly more so definitively than they have for the first three weeks. I'm concerned about the Patriots offensive line. In their ability to neutralize a guy like Patrick Willis and linebacker because. He is shown in his short lived NFL career thus far. To be very quick very aggressive and maybe maybe one of the best in his that his back position certainly NFC if not the entire NFL."

[40:09]" Is guys tackling machine and he's not much analyzing how much of a pass rusher doesn't believe clearly -- tackles right now yes and mastery at the unofficial record for tackles and seasons. But you take out a great all because everybody has their own tackle but the bottom line is that guy can make plays. And the guys made great plays in the running game and if you don't neutralize that the -- or do a better job on Sunday. They can't establish any running game. And and they can't take a chance downfield if you're opposing -- right now you you to pat doing in the ground game. Why would you bring a -- to help at the line scrimmage why do it. No I don't I'm putter I'm getting my safeties back deep. I'm -- the -- over the top to take Moss out of the game and double giving him all afternoon absolute I had good no reason do anything else will want Rory LaMont Jordan Kevin Faulk Sammy Morris or anybody else shows and tendency to run the football."

[41:00]" I totally agree I mean you know that's why when you look at it and and as we got to sit here and we talk it through about where the match ups are going to be on Sunday. Frankly that the person cause for concern this is why Matt Cassel has to step up and do more than just. Game plan and follow the game plan he's got the lead and he's got to recognize and he's got to be willing to go deep a couple of times so there is an opportunity for some running lanes I think you know for those running backs into with a shall receivers."

[41:25]" I think we'll have a chance to move the football on Sunday I'm talking about the Patriots because I'm not convinced that this San Francisco -- as a real yet they've got good playmaker but there is an inexperience in the secondary. And I think there's the potential to make big plays on the field if they're willing to take -- shot. While -- happen at some point on putting you know put on my -- in the pile Aaron's human that is going to happen on an inning and hit a couple of bad ones but hey you know the been wrong I've been wrong last games actually pick in the."

[41:54]" I have a better yet you know. And then as we started talking about here the other side of the ball. Putting pressure on JT O'Sullivan trying to make sure that the run be Frances Sullivan also Frank Gore doesn't -- them along the same lines. Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams did two weeks ago."

[42:11]" Yeah I agree on -- present and into the he said it wasn't just Ronnie Brown Ricky Williams that's a big carries to. They could -- anybody who ran the football and it wasn't just the -- on the option offense wasn't just the trick plays. They were having problems lining up an irregular formations. And that's going to be an issue if they can't if -- think if Frank Gore is it living the plays are they better than T O'Sullivan can run Mike Martz offense. Then they can do. If not one. You wanted to be a comfort zone now and if not it's not all the other extra Kevin sack performance like he saw last week. And you could have a lot cited victory but a lot of things have to on the play on. All we can started off this hour by you disorder vote. Taking a quick look anywhere what was going on today around the stadium end -- what a whole lot in terms of the report from practice today it was there. Practice -- all pro had a couple of guys miss out Kelley Washington was one of them. Was he and I -- that they can I believe he was and I'm I'm I'm curious to know what -- of the Buddhist alone is another book not on the foot. That I know he was in the locker and they walking around without the -- that's a good sign for Kelley Washington. And a guy who they are going to need in the receiving game because -- middle of it that at some point when he's out there that rumor that he's out there. It becomes a big big difference in the media don't have a whole lot of depth there -- as it is. And watch Tuesday's -- special team -- haven't won a couple past -- he's not out -- it's a bigger problem right. And you also mentioned it to Moss had some interesting things to say earlier today. Yeah wasn't that they'll ask him about the other captain -- that he can it is that a black and oh Carey's actually gotten for oh yeah good stuff about that it was into now are."

[43:50]" What that's what it. Oh -- we didn't. That's getting back in the -- Lola but enough. That be back -- football. Hall. Here. Are out there. I think he's just disbelief and in. You know what coach assailant. Whenever I don't think it is it's easier to lead attainment I think everybody's -- in what they'll and so. I don't think it -- me being a leader things that but honestly paid so. Nobody we've really got to turn things around enough. No well would agree we practice because this is going to be a long road trip that. I think -- were challenged enough. Ultimately it. We're definitely. It's a blessing that means there. -- the gas to believe me that I can lead. On and off the field. You know with my player. With my emotions or as early so. The good thing it definitely you know they'll give it to be kept -- You know --"

[45:05]" Got to happen is paid nothing in any mad at times -- done."

[45:11]" Well I think that first -- if the league in itself and I think it trickle down to the whole offense and you know -- we've seen. You know met progress on these last couple weeks. I think quicker than we expected to solo. You know we we just have to put it you know gather around him -- luckily the quarterbacks so you know it is good and bad in you know with ten guys that. You know that we put around in his we have that make it happen not for the -- you know more on his shoulders. Fiesta have to be smart distribute the ball but it -- I'm still having guys out there and it has to get the job done so well in overlap with. Over Dolan as a whole -- unit and I hope that we can keep going with. Half where they are. You know to get Willis. The middle linebacker. Very experienced secondary in they really stand -- freedom. You know it they've really helped that ball and he knows what have been appointed emphasis you know playing fast enough. Enough to have to to a good start so does not look at it -- day. Have a a great group of guys not just on the little office to the very experienced and a no very well coached the last you know got to work now was this week and a you know hopefully we had done so with what happens. -- Well we had a week off Sunday but you know we get down football column. Know week it was really for the rest their bodies and I think we did -- so. You know it you know it it is early we did -- about weeks though the good thing is if no we keep practicing keep working day in and -- apple we don't have. A week also love our reports it is Rwandan you know lack of that of that I'm just glad to be back and a plan on this. Well there you go over any --"

[47:05]" Yeah you know what you're actually right he really seemed forthcoming -- seem to have a little bit more energy to his responses. You know he'd sounded a little bit more like. Here we go like a captain you know what he talked a lot but when he does I think he is pretty good on answers. And I've always enjoyed his with the media mind the fact that he cuts it off -- points you can know what he did a very repetitive issues after awhile you know it comes -- sorry guys make -- quick give you five questions that -- that. Good enough for me I can't speak -- coaches is to say it was. -- back at what you know what they'll be here's the thing I think when Randy has gotten into his problems in the past. All -- then you know the obvious legal ones he he's been misunderstood a lot of instances because both. Things that have been said or talked about in the media so when he knows that it's part of his job he's got to be involved with the media he wants to control it. As much as is humanly possible and the way that you control with the media is by dictating to the media how available."

[48:06]" Exactly and I think he -- in the -- pretty well parts I know there's been some concern that. He could be a ticking time bomb he could while they handle -- again and the ball. I mean look what happened in doubt that weekend Terrell Owens and had the ball -- in nineteen times. It's a bit about it on his own radio show yeah but aren't actually bitch about it after the game and trying to backtrack on his radio. Until we get back for Moss I don't want to hear about it because you know what it's not an issue until it becomes one. I don't know -- the -- worth speculating on what he's going to do based on happened and Oakland it's it to to different situations."

[48:40]" By the way and I am sure that you concurred Mike but I thought -- elevated at a very nice job on this. Very linked the in depth piece on Randy Moss and his background for PFW's weak."

[48:52]" It wasn't very good story to have a lot of good feedback from the people out of work with mark the right career going all the way back high who'll go back in college. And you know people -- think that the real Randy Moss and there -- and we don't always know about the real rainy but that's the way he wants. At at the personality that he puts out there. And that's a -- out you lead. Any kind of a man of mystery times never really know what's going to happen behind the scenes but by all accounts nowhere in there every game now locker room and I mean a guy who's. Interacting with Kimi -- the the guy that looks like he's comfortable. In his surroundings. And hasn't had any issues -- he's been here so I don't into the paint and yet. And mean it was and it frustrating when you go out there in the ball's not coming away and can't -- any receiver would be in that position would be frustrated as well. But you know there there isn't time -- work things out is only the fourth game you know I mean. If -- doing this and like the seventh game it's not working out. Well located you might have a problem right now and you talk before games and he's coming off his worst game of any reason to suggest that Moss and a while you know yet. And it was a great insight that Eric wrote about in terms of vote. The coaches bit error or really squarely in his corner two of them he never played for in little voice. And end Bobby Bowden I mean I think while his reputation precedes him and other guards at times it was a good reputation tickets out there that people seem to think that this guy. Is not as bad as -- says he has and you got that feedback from players and coaches go well or ethnic uncle Lou Holtz has been around the block three times and -- a lot of players. Probably guys aren't in any -- all we got a Hall of Fame coaches both. I mean at that -- ringing endorsement from somebody you know."

[50:33]" Yeah I thought so it -- story for those that may not know it in it -- had a chance to read it via W. Story goes is that you know Randy was all basically signed sealed delivered a player Holtz when Holtz was at Notre Dame. And then he started to run into his legal troubles and Notre Dame wouldn't accept him. Notre Dame found a spot for -- landed in Florida State actually attended spring practice went -- Florida State. He violated his probation while at fort estate and he couldn't go to Florida State. And so after that that's how we ended up back home in West Virginia and into playing for Marshall without missing any more time it is Marshall plan was. Wonderfully program but Lou Holtz. Actually picked up the phone and called Jerry jones' did Jerry you've got to take this guy. I'm not kidding yeah he's the best I've ever seen problems of the time lost only eighteen years old and not -- draft eligible. And -- after all that hole will support him. After all he's a lot yet after all these years both holt and Bowden both still squarely in Randy Moss -- corner. Say what you want to about Holtz and more and and Bowden and I know people have been critical of him certainly on the other -- But they are legends in the game they're both hall of famers. There well respected certain within all coaching circles not just college football coaching. And for them. To both say you know one of the greatest athletes they've ever seen in ever been involved with -- is Randy Moss I think should say something about. You know hey what the Patriots have at this point."

[52:02]" Like I that I don't -- any problems yet I think on the team continues to win. At a reasonable pace frame will be happy recurrence of -- catching nine passes or nineteen that that's -- now. If you. A lot of this is kind of speculation at this point you know and and into wondering what is going to happen based on what happened in the past with him. Right the other side of this whole of course is that fans can also feel so -- frustrated because Moss. Isn't able to -- little -- he ability that he is the ball's not -- what are what I did get the ball because it helps team went exactly."

[52:36]" Exactly and so you know until that happens and there's going to be frustration on both sides Philip -- talk about it the meeting you'll talk about it and then a guy like Randy Moss is going to end up having to answer questions about it and so you can see where this is just going to become a vicious. The cycle is going to be a catch 22 there's no real way out of this until somehow someway someone stands up and says are we gotta get in the ball. Maybe find different ways to get the ball maybe you know Josh mcdaniels got to figure a way that our lesson. Let's let's. Electric system was shot to maybe do some zone read and -- in the let Moss take the ball -- around who knows but you've got to figure out a way to get the ball in his hands -- at least you're making an effort that's what I wanna see which team's role in the safety over largely through the first three games. In doubling him when he gets in the secondary."

[53:25]" to about. Finding creative ways and the ball where he start he -- Josh mcdaniels has made it as it went quite an absolutely another way -- up but something here now with a little bit of adversity. On his easiest having Tom Brady -- drop back in the way cool Moss -- runs is -- throw the ball up there. They're allow more variables involved -- nickles RC. You know what McHale has offer at that point in. That mechanically that third -- fourth game of the season out the jury allowed in my book. And that you also -- off the top Mike you coach Belichick seemed to be rather engaging. Today as well in particular reason why you thought that was pretty good and you into a couple of pretty good questions one about the Vernon Davis situation now the niners -- him. I'd like -- could get our from the globe that in -- follow his rationale behind flying on Friday. And build them -- the games and half ago. -- I'm aware of that you know any change in the bitterly to the minute then somebody asked about you know four questions later bowel wall like -- out there for the week hoping he's able and -- in you know. But he is that you know all right now it is focus on the -- later really talk about you know that is behind -- in the fact that you know Sunday 1 o'clock game out there. If you take that long player on Saturday he generally -- utilized and the rest of the ready for Sunday I mean it complete Andre -- on why they're doing."

[54:48]" Yeah I think he's plenty of sense of play up the front have any problem that decision at all. If you critical of anything and -- and I talk a little bit about this on yesterday's program. Some of it the analysts if you will Jimmie Johnson was one I think. Trying to remember who was obvious paean. And somebody else from CBS also kind of lambasted. The fact that the Patriots were going to stay out there in the course plan is to. You know basically have you know training next week in San Jose before playing San Diego the following week. And did did the feedback that was not positive it's chemical known as the -- of you know charters in this and that you know players you know thrive on you know familiarity and what have you and in Eric -- good point yesterday while summer saying well that's never really worked for teams a lot of the past. And oh I know who was with Mike -- espionage and when he was playing the Eagles would do that a couple of times. And he said they never won the tail end of the back to back there because players would go here eagle there in the go all the time to kill you know in between preparation in their out of their element. But they're brought up a -- yesterday when he that you don't want treat this like it's Super Bowl week. All right the suitable for the same. Thing at least it should be the first week you're all kind of her -- you know heard about trying to get the plans made and in the second week you've been focusing. On your opponent primarily in treated like that you treat it like that then. You can see where maybe you -- going to create a mental block Resop and not let all the outside stuff become involved here."

[56:17]" The question of modern technologies to -- because while you can slide back quicker and go to the All-Star props you'll also have everything here to Mosul. And you can bring it with you want to long chip. You can bring your scouting reports can bring. Dvds and put him on a laptop and watch game clip from the other team there are ways to do that out here at everything Unita -- haven't come back home to prepare. It loses its not that's on them in and if Michael eagle's claw maybe they weren't coached properly noted that happened in other words out if if -- little outside act getting that that's -- as a player and -- team. And the Cardinals -- both games out Al east because that child they they they gave up 56 point Jets. They cover anybody but they are here they can cover anybody well now the correlation. Yet so it's one way to look at it reminds me."

[57:09]" Maybe they felt like you know again in this particular instance that could prepared better had the players -- that sense of familiarity around them and you know what they're professionals they should be able to you know this one week I wrote I don't disagree with that they can do for the Superbowl they can do for this. Well ultimately the group's going to be in the putting after all is said and done his two week road trip and if the Patriots have come up with a couple wins and -- to say that the it's a resounding success in Thorpe a couple of stickers than you're going to. Openings of -- second -- the ticket dependent on the trip to the traveling is that it's hot plate in and that he beat you know the preparation -- depends on what you have the players saying after the trip has done yet I doubt anybody would come out of bad -- that is an ego is known anything now so. It was looked pretty hypocritical in the aftermath -- yea you know what that was such a good idea because everybody's on board right now in the company line. All -- imagine they would do the name of the smart money come home -- But the Patriot way that. Mike hey thanks so much great stuff they -- John super stuff today an excellent job Mike Britney from Patriots football weekly here with a says he always is in the opening hour of our Wednesday program going to take a timeout. All in on the other side Randy cross CBS and Patriots television analyst. In a former all pro opens of linemen for the San Francisco 49ers will be joining us. And we also got some 49ers conference calls. Upcoming or you in -- this edition of Patriots playbook."

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[1:03:15]" Welcome back inside the playbook for our number two here on Wednesday. On Patriots dot com radio I am John -- in thanks to book Mike for a team Patriots football weekly for joining us in the opening on Wednesdays and good observations as we kind of began to. Break down video of the matchups the Patriots will be facing as they go against San Francisco 49ers. This Sunday afternoon -- to park in San Francisco 4:15. Eastern time careful. Both of those we'll get back here and -- prevention in the opener of the program."

[1:03:46]" Today and I'm sure that you're becoming more and more aware of this is. Is. The week goes by hearing get ready for the game once and you know the papers and 49ers -- a whole lot of history between. The two sides are largely because they're on opposite coach so they're an opposite divisions there an opposite conferences so. They haven't played in four years it's just the eleventh time in their respective team histories that the two teams have met first time since 2004. All the niners rolled a 73 lead in the series previous ten games Patriots have won the last two times they have played at. Back in 1998. -- again. In 2004. Yep I believe beguiling select was around for the that 98. The last time that San Francisco one was back on September the seventeenth. Of 1995. -- it's been thirteen years a little over now thirteen years in San Francisco has beaten New England and that was that. Then 3COM park. They had named -- and they of course reverted back candlestick 3COM park in it was a 28 to three win for San Francisco. On the day back in 1995. Infect. The 49ers actually had run off six straight wins in the series. Between 1980. In 1990 five's or that fifteen year period six straight wins for the 49ers over the Patriots. The series began very first time was on Halloween. Of 1971. That's right October 31 71. In the 49ers had beaten the Patriots candlestick 27 to ten. First time the two teams ever faced off the first time they were played in Foxborough was it then Schaefer stadium. On in October of 1975. And the Patriots won that one point 416. And then. Niners rip off six straight over the next fifteen years as I mentioned with the Patriots managed to win in Foxboro in 1998 so. That is a brief recap of the short lived series between these two sides now. All that brings me to the other trivia question and I'm sure that is makin' the rounds this week I'm sure that. You probably already heard this but just occasionally evidence pretty good one. There are only two teams. Two teams in the National Football League that the Patriots have never beaten on the road. He probably know the one of the San Francisco which is of course what kind of talk about right now the other team is Washington. 49ers want to to another team the Patriots have never beaten on the road. Pats are -- and for all time against San Francisco on the road. And in talking about the series history between the two sides a couple of moments ago. They played the lost the game on Halloween in 1971. They lost again in November of 19802117. Than they played it. What's he was in Stanford stadium. In Palo Alto. In October of 1989. And lost 37 to wanting. And then at 3COM park. Which was the last appearance they've made in San Francisco and that was thirteen years ago. That was the 28 to three loss in September of 1995. So they go oh and four when the 49ers are the home team. They're technically oh in three in what is in the stadium that they'll be playing in. On. Sunday. -- Well by the way their -- and two all time on the road against the Washington Redskins just for. You know just for your own edification and your own trivia purposes so two teams the Patriots have never beaten on the road. On in this their forty ninth year in the National Football League San Francisco. In Washington couple in the NFL or in the NFC if you also a kind of -- and give you bit of an idea were some of the series history. Compare these two teams relatively speaking. There are some connections. I'm between these two sides a few connection we've alluded to a the most obvious when this week having to BG to use element. -- the 49ers starting quarterback having spent some time a couple of years on the Patriots practice squad. Before then moving on to Detroit in the Benson from Detroit San Francisco won't finding himself now. -- role as the starting quarterback because Alex Smith. Is on the -- I R and and some would say that today he might not even be the starter even if he was. So looks like his time in San Francisco may already becoming -- and and talk about first round draft Boston. How alone and we kind of alluded to affected that we're not terribly and I in particular not terribly impressed with. Well the start the Laurence Maroney is given the Patriots in the first round draft pick the first round overall draft it. In what San Francisco did one out and limb to get a guy like Alex Smith from Utah. I mean my goodness you're talking about a guy that you're basically building your franchise around. Whereas the Patriots obviously. Have -- even built their offense much was the franchise around Laurence Maroney. You know team is built and in in. Probably will continue to be built some time around like Tom Brady. So yes there are some differences terrible blow when you put all your eggs in one basket and why now and then you come up short like dead and the guy not only you know flounders but he fails miserably. They didn't see how you know downward spirals. Happen in the NFL. In the 49ers. Back in the early seventies. Late sixties. Early seventies and then again in the early eighties and pretty much the decade of the 1980s and the league -- 49ers. That to a certain extent the team of the eighties right. They were dominant they they weren't true NFL power house lot of us don't. They're really have to go back to fort Gordon recalled forty owners being you know the preeminent franchise in the NFL when it was so run by bill Walsh. Alms you know and -- but it moralism time. That you know everybody tried to model themselves after you know the San Francisco 49ers. And or the Dallas Cowboys at the time to the the the most dominant franchises in the league. This is really after the the heyday of the Pittsburgh Steelers 1970s. You could you know the Cowboys were you know surely one of the good teams but if you go by the decade. And which team stands out the most to represent the decades when you go back. You have to say the sixty sort of belong to the Packers in the seventies probably belong to the Steelers in the eighties probably belonged. To the to the San Francisco 49ers but ninety's -- Yeah. I have to say for the most part. Probably the Cowboys probably. All the because they didn't have three Super Bowl wins in the early part of a decade. I guess you could make your case for Buffalo but they lost the super doubles. So I don't know that you could put you know that the bills over the Cowboys. Packers won one there -- obviously made Super Bowl appearance the -- as well. But probably that was -- a course in the 2000 it's been all Patriots that's more for the most part. For the most -- And I think most Patriots fans feel like. You know we may not be done yet and if you look at the roster we've talked about his over the course the last couple weeks anyway especially. Spent some time with this last week of being the bye week with a team -- the weekend off. But you know the roster. Could still be setup for the next year or two. At the very least. No matter what happens this year you can kind of figure this now being a great year Patriots because when you have such catastrophic injury. Like what has transpired to put this team. In its current situation. You hope that you know -- the injured party is being Tom break and come back and find a way to one regains some form. No -- strictly speaking when a quarterback comes back from an injury like what birdies come back from it doesn't happen right away. And I know we're going to talk about this. You know at some point again this year and I know what's going to get talked about in the off season. And I know it's going to get talked about again next summer. And yes it's going to get talked about a lot one win next year rolls around him Brady is actually back in uniform. Fact remains it's going to take some time for him to regain it. Everything that was lost with that hit in the first quarter against Kansas City in the seasonal it's going to take some time. But even so. Next year and the year rafter. You know next your course being 2009 sort of really ending the decade I guess she could consider 2010 the start -- the next decade I guess really depends on. Matter of semantics here but. You know you've got an opportunity I think still on to make some headway here and I think the Patriots go."

[1:12:39]" Long long and long way."

[1:12:42]" Are too you know basically proving the doubters and the naysayers that if they can still find a way. To make this a playoff season on the court you get into the tournament and we all know anything can. And he usually does happen. In the post season just look at what happened the past last year the Super Bowl then. That would be that would be a feather in the cap but I think people would say you know what once and for all truly that's a pretty deep organization. And it hasn't all been about it was spectacular play of Brady at quarterback or. In home anybody at wide receiver for that matter or anybody on the defensive side of the ball or even just Bill Belichick coach. It's it's taken a little bit of everybody. In order to beat who they are and to be. The football team that they have become. And you know whether this team -- nine and seven wins the division are ten and six or even eleven info -- would you think that they're they're capable of you know the opportunity presents itself I know that each one of those players -- locker misconduct. Is is in we're in will become more evident as the season wears on here. But that they will take this as a personal affront on their own individual abilities so. You know and then of course you probably -- well the schedule was just ridiculously easy -- the Patriots and they merely took advantage of the schedule and in and what presented itself to that -- of course they. You can only play the games. Better in front of you can't you know say okay well -- let's. Let's tackle topic -- it's not like they're not get a couple leaders Indianapolis and there is Pittsburgh in the raised -- go next week even on the schedule. So there are going to be you know some heavyweights if you will. Mixed in. What the schedule but you know hey this year scheduled cover them play the NFC west. Can't do anything about it being relatively weak division I mean effect is the niners are -- first place in the division at four weeks with -- Arizona at two into. Ando we talk a little low on yesterday's program that you know -- it's possible. It's entirely possible that eight Nate. Probably not and so but they they could have somebody in the NFC west division in the money or in the play offs. Seattle has a couple of playoff appearances out of that division at nine and seven having won the title. While with the lessons in jealousy outstanding record over the last few years. And it could happen for whoever gives up as the survivor in the NFC west this year but all things being relative. You know one will go back to the old saying it is what it is you can't do anything about it. The rotation had the Patriots playing these teams this year. That's what the NFL called for just so happens that the Patriots got this schedule. At the same time or actually before and obviously but it just coincides with the fact that they had a catastrophic injury this year so. Maybe maybe karma is smiling maybe you know even though we all feel like you know Patriots got a bad break literally. This season. Who knows. Who knows it all you with funds would work itself. As I said there were some connections here Tully banta Cain. Of course it was a uniform Patriot drafted in the seventh round back in 2003. On he's now basically running second of the depth chart on outside linebacker. Behind Manny Lawson for the 49ers infected expect him to be. Completely healthy and I think activated play this week. Over then JT O'Sullivan knows the two most obvious connections between these two teams. Where banta Cain known as the it was a cal players as well. It is culpable of Berkeley so this was really more like a return home for him anyway. Going up to a plea 49ers. Patriots tight end coach Pete anger him was actually. All of its line coach in the eighties. Ago when Mike Nolan who is the -- forty -- coach. And Jerry Sullivan at wide receiver coach were the linebacker coach wide receiver coach that was Q so -- (%expletive) in his excellent coach with Nolan and Sullivan. Sam Aiken on the Patriots side. Was teammate Nate Clements on the Buffalo Bills just a couple of years ago. -- and a day with Thomas and Aubrayo Franklin played in the Baltimore Ravens. When Mike Nolan was defensive coordinator earlier this decade. -- if you similar. Jerry Sullivan we just mentioned him as senior system for the 49ers he was the wide receiver coach for the Miami Dolphins when Wes Welker was a rookie. From Miami so you know there's some familiarity there so there are some connections here. And even though it doesn't seem like these two teams know a lot of that each other if you go -- thinking well you know maybe they could surprise so once over the into this because -- is only -- that well. Was this is the national football okay. Everybody knows everything about everybody. That's what -- hold you know spy game thing last year was really when you look at it's stupid. Because teens scalp and teens tall and people yap and people know people. And people coach with people and people playing with people. It's a small league. I don't there's 32 teams lot of players lot of coaches. It's a it's a small world with a finite world it's a finite universe in the -- everybody knows a little -- is something about what everybody. But it's interesting to got to go through it and you look at the roster in the and you look at the connections like oh yeah I was -- again this can coach that got -- actually. Or more connections. Between two teams that just haven't. Had a lot of history between themselves more connections. Than you think our. All right reverence in trouble apparently tracking down those CBS's Randy cross we still hope to do that here. Over the course the next little bits on the meantime let's get to the conference calls from earlier today at Gillette Stadium and the head coach of the San Francisco 49ers. Mike Nolan with members of the Patriots media."

[1:18:51]" It wondering. Much difference. And -- it up and after it wouldn't."

[1:19:03]" Assistant -- cities that you played. I think structure at the same thing you know he's obviously assistant knows that. They've -- Is that what their entire offense and -- as far as the couple games played in but you know we're very confident player. You know as a lot of Beckett players do they resemble. It is it is time but they do resemble the guys that they've played behind from a technical standpoint things like that that. You know it's it's difficult sometimes to play quarterback when you don't know all that much about him because he has started that much but. As you all reflect ensure that Tom Brady when he got the job there was an awful lot known about him --"

[1:19:45]" Don't you comment on Mike what Mike Martz has brought to the team this year."

[1:19:49]" Here eight brought credibility. -- stability to the offense and Mike's an outstanding football -- At a great time. As good command presence in front of the offense which is. Which is very important when you're trying to get to play well credibility. Is real important. Mike has that actually what is accomplishments of St. Louis. And both as head coach and offensive coordinator. Outside that the addition of some players we. In the maturity that was very head. Along with Mike Martz of this. Has been you know real plus for our our offense --"

[1:20:28]" That credibility as part of that -- players. Know what. And then. Ultimately."

[1:20:35]" Here you know players want to be good they want to get the ball they wanna they want to shine. They want everyone to talk about a that's natural. And a part of what I mean. And Mike. -- know players if they feel that the coach can give them something to make them get noticed that issue it's day. Typically they're going to listen to check with the guys say. In my case like -- cities is that several players. Platform that I obviously had three NFL office to players of the year Marshall Faulk. And twice Kurt Warner. Or maybe it was twice Marshall -- scored on catcher but -- that their credibility goes along way with player and so it's --"

[1:21:18]" instrumental in getting Isaac Bruce. On the roster."

[1:21:22]" I think so at that time. You know I don't know what was done. I think its mind as far as -- not that. But as soon as he was let go. You know we shouldn't media interest in him and Mike was on the staff so I'd have to say it it certainly had that -- an artist and I think it helped us a lot because that equipment -- doing -- recently -- the offense. Any news success is. The success they had when he was with Mike. So I you know. Outside of that -- there's no question that I know about a relationship."

[1:21:56]" I. You're among the leaders this year and in big plays twenty plus yards. That reflection of applause seated to try to go but it -- a home run ball there at times that just more than more optimistic about the open."

[1:22:08]" I think it's more just in the case of opportunistic. -- else you know our -- suppliers. And in particular quarterback in a couple wide receivers obviously have not played together in the past. And so you put the whole picture get our offense. We're working for continuity with edits throughout this fourth season. Now I would -- it continues but as we get as a play more games hopefully just get better better but the explosive plays. The plays over twenty yards which you speak of I think it's just resulted guys do their job."

[1:22:41]" After watching the end. Miami game. My -- but like gadget plays an --"

[1:22:48]" Well I'm going to reveal. And obviously that. I just no -- I probably look at it more in the case I don't know it'll be well prepared they are and most games. I'm sure it's good coach Belichick was disappointed in the performance. And he certainly has the attention of his players so. A bit different game at our place as we don't know. And we'll -- the game goes."

[1:23:13]" What do you do cut down on me and give away."

[1:23:19]" must carry the ball. Whether that be drawn it or particularly when you're carrying it."

[1:23:28]" Coach you've been as successful -- at times they shared some of third and long situations which -- usually tough to convert. Is there confidence though they have it no matter what situation you guys they'll pick up -- it."

[1:23:42]" Obviously it's it's it's it's only been four games into the obviously going -- three weeks ago. Too early to tell exactly it is I think that -- hurting everybody's trying to. Trying to come together chemistry wise and accountability -- on on every squad. And so whatever you're doing at this point it too early to say exactly who anyone is. You know that obviously on third down you want to you want to convert whatever the distance they've typically -- this. We certainly don't strive for -- they're -- I'll sit."

[1:24:15]" Mike I know obviously in Baltimore. You had a whole bunch of stars on the fence and he has some Washington New York in the past what's your philosophy on on dealing with high profile guys in. Are you want you can have a camp that are basically treated the same or do you think. I don't know I mean different guys should be get treated in different manners depending understanding and it."

[1:24:37]" And play everybody should be treated fairly but that is an entry at the same. -- Well and certain players get more attention and other players this is the way it is a certain person more important now somebody breaks a rule which are much sound different. But as far as the coaching players everybody's different some guys respond art -- some respond. Just need to be told one time and get it. -- obviously played ten years some have played two. So there's -- Players. Respond. When they know what you're given -- is going to make them better. And players want to be good if they have trust and confidence of -- is making them better. They typically would listen that his editing at this day. But if you don't have that confidence in what you give them or they don't have confidence in it. You can have the greatest knowledge in the world as if they don't believe in its now or have. I've done some things in the past that I wouldn't ever teach again there -- guys try to do it we won a lot of games don't. But I now know it's not the best things so players players to make something out of you know if they believe and -- or."

[1:25:51]" Mike and Noah -- with the Ravens yeah obviously had a lot of big name guys announcer read Ray Lewis. It was at all challenge having to fit a lot of stars in the one group or was that would that not what allowed you might think it."

[1:26:06]" About that is we had a number of playmakers days Thomas was also with a bit when I first started. -- this is just you know just we lived there were trying to find out where it would fit. The important thing at that task force was to come up with this game that we felt would allow. Would give opportunities to a lot of different guys because we had playmakers. About a half a dozen guys we had such as well. We just had a lot of guys who were playmakers and their because of that we try to divide this game that would give everybody -- whether they were. Blessing from the corner or safety spot or linebacker whatever 34 obviously it was the best chance to do that. Anything came out of the person -- for players -- a lot of guys that we knew wanted to be involved in this game and not just. One dimensional players. So there's anything to do with good players that can make a lot of plays that you try to play to their strength. And given the opportunity to do what they're going to that and not just say look at I want a lot of games plan. You know covered three back in the sixties and seventies so we're gonna -- three I think that support choice of the coaching got a he got to get something that that allowed in the make plays and when you do that I think Q you inspire people to play better."

[1:27:18]" I don't think so. That's a promise from -- opposite. And you know do what you members in when he news Baltimore would then -- with bill there."

[1:27:35]" Good defensive. But as we did two years ago we tried very hard to get the days to come to. This service is goes to bed itself as what we don't think about what I think about. I think a great person. -- very intelligent guys think it was a dump it was a little dumber did a little better football player. But -- got hurt. He became an outstanding player for us is that tremendous amount of ability he likes to play the games later on good players who knows the importance of the game. The player. As well -- person."

[1:28:14]" As Patrick Willis -- Development. Surprise you at all."

[1:28:20]" Well surprise. Of course and it's a question answer about it is with the expectation. A better one block and it would be hit or oppressive would be that'd be a good player. -- that you really never know address somebody we get -- menacing evolved so we're company was the kind of guy who wanted to bring on our roster. But he has exceeded senate state expectations. In in his ability to play is that he's an outstanding player said. It's sort same as just but he is second here this extremely professional it's very important. The players recognize them as a very good player they respect them Patrick doesn't. -- humility because of his ability to be a good player same person's always stand. It's so hard coach just like all of them annie's. Very receptive very approachable player. I don't know personally it was one. On the roster gone with the word teammate for that --"

[1:29:19]" It would -- Linebackers top position. The rookies coming to play well last year you know -- compare with. -- another spot and learn the linebacker."

[1:29:33]" We always tough to play as a rookie -- You know the hardest ones is things like quarterback to step -- everything's really difficult to let the I've been fortunate to have -- Street sense maybe four to remember him barely better not that. And all of them listed -- them. My role -- Serbs. And obviously Patrick Willis goes straight and accurate call we're all linebackers. That you know so it's it's really listed as a linebacker position that if you are good football -- you can play early if you're if you're just a good athlete. It's real tough position to play because it's much like running back you've got -- state and Michigan and over the hole is. Matter of fact the best linebacker I know at one point or another did play running back. Because you gotta you gotta run to daylight around not a career and everybody I'm going to get anywhere."

[1:30:28]" My it was a typical at all not to start Alex -- this year just because of the investment the estimating them."

[1:30:36]" Now. Not hardly play the best players we've got obviously. That obviously. Alex's. Somebody that. We've -- and we had I expectations form but injuries and has somewhat -- that. And -- so this is the -- that. But it note -- you make a decision based on. Financial commitment I don't think -- normally games."

[1:31:05]" That's on Mike Nolan again head coach of the San Francisco 49ers would members of the Patriots media from earlier today. Gillette Stadium is we're inside -- Patriots playbook. For a Wednesday we hope to speak with the Randy cross CBS analyst Patriots pre season a television analyst is well -- a former. All pro lineman for the San Francisco 49ers and actually going to be. Part of the broadcast crew for CBS television this next Sunday. With Dick -- with them -- signals across so we'll keep trying to track him down and hopefully get him to you. Coming up -- a little bit meantime while we get some time for emails have you got some questions of what some of the stuff we've been talking about today looking at. Of the way that the Patriots match up the 49ers again an opponent that you just don't see. All that often although there is certainly familiarity between the two sides it's the first time since all four that the Patriots have faced this team. Do you have any thoughts on that familiarity on the matchups on. The Patriots roster in general on how you feel now that you've had basically a week to sort of I suggest the Miami debacle we had a good email question yesterday. For mom. 1 of our contributors who said you know do you feel. Any different now all of than you did. You know in the first few minutes after the game and I think naturally. Naturally want -- a chance to let it settle and you get over the initial emotion. Of state connection -- up. Couple weeks ago it's Miami that you know it doesn't staying quite as bad put. You are certainly anxious to get back up their improved that they game was a fluke. You'd want that game to define human right now you're only as good as your last game how many times have you heard that cliche. You've heard at a time right and you don't want I can't say that I disagree with pretty accurate. You're only as good as your last game -- all you really have to go some people try to look at a little bit bigger picture and UC trends in. You know when I think if you look at the biggest picture you can Patriots certainly have trended upward of a few years. But when you get right down to it. You're only as good as your last game. Nearly as good as last plagued him. And so in that regard. I can't imagine that what's happened is that -- anybody in the locker. And so. Yeah you have to think that the Patriots will. Certainly have a sense of urgency in terms of trying to put that Miami game behind them. And sisters as their first of four games are actually going to play. Out west this season so there's going to be heavy amount of travel this year and you know a lot of things that you could certainly blame. And having this team is going to want to get off to. As good a start as possible. Musically you know somehow stub their -- this week in. What does that really put them behind the eight ball San Diego next week and well. Nobody's saying that they're one of the they're looking forward to that nobody's saying -- even remotely considering San Diego yet. We are -- we look at the big picture because that's what we do here you and I and other members of the media and in. We get reported that because we're not the ones when they're playing every week. And you know that boy if those somehow they stub their told a Sunday that. Man does that put an awful lot of pressure on you for an early season game. Play a team that was thought to be you know every big you -- equal. In San Diego. Coming into the season. And yet you eliminate a lot of that pressure you just take your business and win the game that quote unquote you should wind which is this Sunday. In San Francisco August 49ers team that has sure there is certainly it's shown some spark. In their two and two start they've shown some spark they've shown some ability on offense they've shown some play making ability on defense. You know thanks in large part Patrick Willis at linebacker. -- They've been woefully inconsistent and they got beat up pretty good. By the arm -- by the arm of Drew Brees and the New Orleans Saints in particular last week losing 3170. So. The -- show that you can throw once and Francisco. He was Simmons was also runner up 33 points on now on Seattle and it's certainly an injury depleted Seattle. At this stage. Can be milieu that one this year would be from Todd in nova Scotia Todd actually came up -- you know question of the day yesterday when we -- talking about. Running backs. In the NFL who. Now started out -- shall -- say mediocre. And ended up becoming great. And the one that I'd come up with Todd was zone. Was Tiki Barber of the Giants -- you know was basically a third down back when he came out of school. And then he developed into not only an every down back but potentially whole thing back -- retired. Anyway but Todd says John this is along the same lines as my running back question from yesterday so it which is more important. Instincts. Or physical talent. Is it different from position to position. I would argue Brady is the perfect example as a guy without all the physical ability but out of this world instincts. Benjamin Watson Tebucky Jones they'd be examples of guys -- all the charts physical ability. But no instincts he says I believe Maroney falls into the second group Agassi comes out of my belief that you can't teach football instinct. Todd my initial inclination is is that you're actually correct. I don't know which one is more important. Because I think the two separate entities. And I do believe it is some -- different from position position it's it's kind of -- look that would here for a second number one. Instinct I think and having football ability and that's not just physical talent. You gotta have some good physical animal wanted to probability that includes the cerebral. Nature of the ability to comprehend. And understand. Process and then physically go out in replicate what did you learn. You know everybody's you know that the old cliche is that football. You know is for dumb jocks okay. -- couldn't be further from the truth but it really stop being that way probably decades ago. Football is not just a reunion react rages -- yours back and explode on somebody sport. Football has long been a cerebral sport. In some of the smartest players in the came actually -- be offensive linemen but is that -- linemen specially setters -- got to know basically everything. In early in the line calls are going to nova cynical -- with a running backs are going to you know the Browns receivers to run a -- in a lot of respects. Why -- instincts. To me. Are certainly important. But it does vary from position to position as you suggest. But if you have all the instinct in the world and no physical talent with a new -- you're just you're not going to be. Going to be you know -- football player. Tournament if you big for instance here and this is kind of an extreme. I think that I have from football instinct. I grew up with football a group around football. Where I come from a Texas -- two sports football and spring football in me for that -- probably before page true. I have no hope is at its none. So you know and football talent that is so like -- thanks so you know in that regard know what I'd be good in the NFL now. Course not. You have to have some physical talent and ability and have been blessed -- that and nurtured -- physical talent. And bring him along combined with the instinct to play the sport and understand the sport and then our pride and excel in that sport. Brady is a good example music guy that you know doesn't have all the physical ability but I think as we've seen Brady you know mature as a player. We've seen that he has certainly developed that ability. But because he has extraordinary. Instinct. Kicks in and it put it Todd out of this world in. It's extraordinary instinct he -- instinct has allowed him to improve. Physically as the case and it's his career has continue. I think if the instinct is in place and you're given the opportunity then you can improve physical ability. But if you have all the physical ability in the world whether you have the you know you gonna have to have that opportunity to -- it. What if you have no Wednesday then where's that ability Geico and I think you correct. I think Laurence Maroney does fall into the group. I think we've all seen that he has tremendous physical ability. I don't know so much that he doesn't have instinct I think he's probably get some decent instinct. I'm a little disturbed at his penchant for going -- sideline to sideline and stutter stepping as opposed to going north south and the that's the biggest concern -- just about everybody as within. When he's actually healthy and running with a football. But. But the thing about Laurence Maroney is is that he does."

[1:40:20]" Can't stay healthy. And that's why. Instinct is questioned as well as his physical abilities questioned. -- time not a check in with -- CBS analyst and former all pro lineman for the San Francisco 49ers and he also."

[1:40:36]" Happens to be a Patriots television analyst Randy cross joins us here and said the -- ready thanks for spent a couple of minutes of your time today we sure appreciate. Not at all on just talk about Laurence Maroney in particular and you were quoted today. In the Boston Herald -- talking about. While Laurence Maroney what are your impressions of him physically. As opposed to what he might be instinctively."

[1:41:00]" Well typically. I mean he looked is Buddhist training camp earlier this year as the as he has period you know. He hasn't been recovering here they've -- worry about surgeries. He just. And obviously train and got ready and outside it look like it'd really. Paid off when you saw in the summer."

[1:41:23]" Obviously his injuries have been a big factor. In terms of keeping him on the field. And being able to take advantage of his physical ability would you say Laurence Maroney is injury prone."

[1:41:36]" I'm not sure it's just about everybody in the league besides LaDainian Tomlinson. Over the last 78 years that -- not wanting -- to court met Monday night game the other night. Yeah they're horse -- kind of troubles injuries quicker you know how can they lose to -- back. I don't see how you don't lose three every week looking at some of the punishment in the games that they play so -- I'd say he's injury problem. I think it's really disappointing he can't stay on the field. That don't know that makes you injury probably. You know initially in this league -- be successful you've just got you got a -- field."

[1:42:12]" No doubt about that how does his inability in your estimation and because you probably know the Patriots in this regard as well as anybody having covered and through training camp in the exhibition here and boning up on him now because you'll have the CBS broadcast with the big convert this week. Against -- sisco but how does his inability to stay on the field. In your estimation hamper. This offense as it tries to develop a little bit under Matt Cassel."

[1:42:36]" I love and some of the things you can do obviously I mean you would ideally. Liked to have all four running back. You know top form. And then you can then you can just start rotate packages than you can. Worry about you know who's gonna play third down who's going to be in charge of early on. You know the first down running plays the first down play action plays of the dump offs into the flat they're they're going to catch who's going to be in charge -- that. You know the old Corey Dillon rolls to -- and somebody out and end of the third quarter beginning of the fourth quarter and you know I think when you physically big guy like Lawrence that's what you bank. He would be good that that's what you really believe that. That he has the ability and and I still think it's it's been there so wired you can stand up Leo that he can be that guy that -- The lead dog when it comes -- running group like this but now the reality is you've got to make do with what you have. And when you don't have -- you've got a cup closed down like they had against Miami. It doesn't limit what you can do what you sure as -- dynamic and offense about."

[1:43:43]" Right well it's pretty obvious than this team has changed quite -- the last time you had a chance to see them because you saw them in the pre season and it's the first quarter of the first game Tom Brady goes down so as you've got to look at the Patriots now heading into this game with San Francisco where else is this team. In your estimation changed in a positive sense -- in a negative sense from won't from the pre season when he saw last."

[1:44:07]" Well matter of fact. The -- on the plate he would never exactly what amnesty Sunday. I don't know Tom Brady did more than -- a couple times that's true. And so we -- mainly. You know retirement -- island good and and and Mac Apple's. Pretty familiar were built when it comes to quarterbacks I'd -- believe the most disappointing thing coming out that game. Two weeks ago and the biggest challenge. It's based on this football team is that the defense. And performance they put on the field. I'll be really disappointed. Come Sunday afternoon and if I don't see a group the kind -- for the Patriots. That is highly highly motivated out four and all over the place and look at that make a point. It's data and they were going to do much. Against Miami which would you what would probably give them obviously. The way they looked -- appreciate."

[1:45:06]" You know but obviously the personnel groupings will be some what different and there's obviously a bit more a sense of urgency because it's a game that counts as opposed to a game and it really doesn't mean anything in the overall scheme of things. If you Matt Cassel has progressed as he's done what you thought he was capable of or is he capable of more."

[1:45:24]" I think he's capable more I believe he'd be the first -- to probably tell you that. And I think bill Bill Belichick realizes that chart comparing nobody realizes that. They've got to be patient. Because -- Kind of cut -- I believe if you went through the if you went through this season with a kind of stuff that you put on the boards so far and extrapolated that out to you know sixteen. Game 415 let's -- full games. You wouldn't be terribly disappointed you do it would be start for what you've seen in the past the quarterback is -- suddenly. Turn into record three touchdown game. You know interception no one interception quarterback you know offer. Eighteen of 25 for 250 yards. You'd like to thank you see that occasionally but. Reality as you know -- for awhile and I believe it's up to that football team that sort of pick up the slack. Who else can pick up the slack and the is there something else video -- run the ball on the offensive line need to go back to. The line we saw before probable playoff games especially that's Super Bowl game. And some of the some of the performances they put on the field earlier and earlier this year in the pre season. And even you know against Miami in the last time they were on the field I think the receivers can do more. Helping him out. You know working the zone working the coverages working where -- get open. There's a lot of things that the parents can make big plays that you know the field on third down they create turnovers give them more. Opportunities in more times are touching the ball that'll that'll go along way towards helping his education I mean. When you look at the whole football game. There heck of a lot more to it than just scored there."

[1:47:11]" Having been an all pro offensive -- yourself what you see the Patriots offensive line that -- like. And that you don't like."

[1:47:18]" Well I think what -- the one thing that you you don't like is when they've been match step when you got that line working as a unit. What you've got almost a perfect the ideal situation. Because they do functioned extremely well I think there really well -- starters Dante Scarnecchia does I think an amazing job when it comes. You're coordinating that offensive line the problem comes when you can isolate them. You can isolate him inside with who lived this specific kind of talent with speed and speed rushers decrepit -- guards. Those type of things and then write about time you get a different event on a guard. Like you saw on the Super Bowl and you've -- at them against past you'd get a big physical guy coming inside. You're American you're going to have some some issues as far as your feet go and and are you going to be able to slide the protection."

[1:48:08]" Interesting. Defensively. With the Patriots certainly. Found a little bit of a weak link against Miami because Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams ripped in the new one right up the middle. Frank Gore has certainly started out this season very well for San Francisco. Would you consider it an upset -- average is code didn't try to emulate what Miami did a little bit."

[1:48:31]" I don't know they're -- and quite go would be I don't know what you call that topic the wing T. Single -- yeah and it is -- signaling. Mike Martz the very imaginative coach. And I believe Bill Belichick and team please never very on the defensive side -- that those guys pretty well drilled the reacts. Two things that don't look right and and probably the best way to react and it really does look like right might be to call timeout. There to call a timeout and give them free play like you saw a couple times against Miami. But but they will see something different you look at the talent you talked about Frank Gore he feels development the quarterback that weren't around pretty well. They have got a guy like Michael Robinson played quarterback at Penn State that you -- even higher -- can grow it in he can be that option kind of football player on the field though. I think besides the -- side of it this is an offense that now that Mike Martz is systems fall in place. Can take advantage of the running of the ability -- Frank Gore and the decision making and JT O'Sullivan. You does that figure you'll everybody else has been factor in this game and having gotten turnovers if you get to the quarterback he caused turnovers. You can beat that matter -- that's pretty good -- to figure -- start bouncing around you're going to atmosphere position."

[1:49:52]" What is JT O'Sullivan done. To improve himself is he a byproduct of being a part of Mike -- assistant a couple of years now or at -- releasing some physical improvements. They've put him from. Basically be a -- tournament to a starter in the NFL."

[1:50:08]" You know it will -- it would it would Mike's -- in Detroit -- elude -- rudimentary now knowledge. Of the offense whenever I'm in the San Francisco. To me literally is about is how often do you hear athletes complain. That you know I never really got a shot it wasn't fair my lack of success you know I. I was the best -- that has -- like any other coach didn't you know would appreciate my abilities and yeah everybody at some point get the chance. At that chance might be one plan practice and in pre pre season during training camp which are going to get a chance. And I think for JT he finally got somebody. That wasn't you know the Frankfurt Galaxy your coworker. For the university California Davis the football coaches you finally got approaching could give him a chance. And just look what he's he's doing whether -- or you can really ask and I and I think if you look at Matt -- it's exactly the same situation you know match it right now. This is his chance. And and you know JP make in the best of it and -- got obviously a way to go to make the best of that but you know you'd never want to hear anything out of the guys such that there there a situation like these two guys ever say after this what I never got my shot convert Laettner shot."

[1:51:27]" I think it's pretty good eligible quarterbacks certainly nothing to the stage have a lot to prove -- and how much does. Guy like come Mike Nolan have to group and if this Sampras -- good team doesn't find itself at least competitive within the west division. Is he on the hot seat."

[1:51:44]" Larry I have to think after a few years they may lack of patience isn't that since the end of business this is there are going to be some issues and god knows they have schedule that'll. That'll make you fly and they've got teams like the Patriots and Eagles and Giants in the -- here but the a pretty good road coming up here. With the next month or so among games they're going to find all they need to know. Their team and where Mike Nolan has -- I believe he has done a very good job. Because when they had when he got there. It wasn't zero and I wouldn't say it -- was scorched earth. But. It was probably still smoke and it was it was pretty bad there wasn't much counted on much of much of a positive situation and I mean yeah he's had the ability especially this year it's create a lot of enthusiasm with the kind of athletes yet and I think -- They're pretty good look at that Sunday."

[1:52:44]" Is it conceivable then that he's done. What he can do to build this team up in even though it might not show in wins and losses because of the strength of their schedule if you just talk about. Is it conceivable that he could end up up. That may be leaving this to somebody else to take it to the next level."

[1:53:00]" I think it's possible I you don't have. God knows the parallel universe across the bay and Oakland you see that happen enough with coaches who don't last 22 -- much less. You know going under for itself. It it it could happen. I think that -- strength of schedule playing pretty much got thrown out the window by people. That pay attention sometime around oh lord gets around ten days ago. When that one and fifteen team came in the Foxborough and beat the task of most people had that as an automatic. Check on the win side surely got into that whole mentality. Surely start to really appreciate that strength of schedule from the year before for -- really hit the."

[1:53:42]" Absolutely. Ready before we let you go what do you think this game then will will break down. And how important is it in your estimation but the Patriots to get off to a good positive start offensively."

[1:53:54]" have football that it wouldn't with the niners I I think they're much improved. They're looking forward to an excuse to feel really good about themselves again. They lost the game last week in New Orleans it was pretty much self imposed. Misery they they turn the ball over they throw interceptions in the end zone and when push came to shove. They kind of reverted -- a little bit. So that quality woe is me I'm I'm not really that good I guess. Kind of looking football game. I very important thing for the Patriots is this in the game -- much like the last one they played. They just should win. I don't care if you're looking better on paper I don't care for the opener on tape. I don't care how you look at it and smoke signals and whatever. They should win that game this game and if they don't. You're gonna have some very introspective mind. Worker in that stadium in Foxboro come the Monday after as well."

[1:54:52]" Interesting. Would you would all. Our our our you at all surprised that the team is staying on the west coast to train for the week after and what do you think of that decision."

[1:55:05]" Yeah I think that the personal stories. What we've got two. Pretty nasty west coast trips. If you can avoid you know this quick turnaround. East to west I think the west to east -- a lot easier to handle. You know if you leave on our Friday afternoon -- late Friday night or Saturday morning -- your normal schedule Saturday played Sunday you know I come home. I think it for Arizona that was a mistake I believe her. For the patriotism is probably a pretty good way to go about it mainly because you do have the veteran pitcher have a football game. And you've got an organization that's that's I think pretty -- Armstrong or can pull -- like pissed off I wouldn't suggested. For most anybody but I think that that the American handle it."

[1:55:53]" great stuff -- there's -- at a few minutes with us look -- watching and listening in on Sunday. If you gotta try to cross will be part of the CBS television broadcast with the convert. 4:15 eastern time the kickoff and candlestick park in San Francisco coming up on Sunday and of course but it you know Randy cross as well from his television. Analysts work with the Patriots during their pre season TV schedule. And he was the -- a three time Pro Bowl opens alignment with the San Francisco 49ers Patriots and the -- Thomas Ruth Sheehan Coleman. -- but did -- stepped it and correct that's what I want to know here. We need to know these things anyway thanks to a Randy cross for a stepping in for Mike -- from PFW for being a part of the program today. Thanks for you two listening in today and dump -- or heard from -- Sampras is good coach Mike Nolan the conference call it smart program will be a little bit of a of a different scenario. Forty. We kind of alluded to this yesterday when. -- Filipino from POW joined its. Obvious that for Brian Lowe I will be in Tampa Florida tomorrow at the college football duties about the nation in the week. Tomorrow night with Pittsburgh playing at south Florida so -- located zone. South of here right now to Eric it's gonna come any quarterback the show from our Rome. Patriots dot com radio studios in Foxboro Gillette Stadium and I will be joining him via the telephone as soon as I am able to get there and find a phone to get to. Something get me off the cell phone anyways who won't die in. Mid interview were made program anyway and as a part of the program tomorrow as he always is on Thursdays Russell best Baxter. I'm in a -- research coordinator for ESPN he will join us. As part of a regular Thursday programmable take a look not only. At some of the year additional x.s and -- for the pats in the forty niners are concerned for Sunday or take a quick look around the NFL. In some of the premiere games and some of the games that will undoubtedly affect the Patriots one way or the other one on the schedule. Thanks so much Eric will be along tomorrow without saying pats time saying pax channel."