PFW in Progress - 10/14/2008

Tue, 14 Oct 2008

Listen to this edition of PFW in Progress as we discuss the Patriots shocking 30-10 loss to the San Diego Chargers. We'll discuss what went wrong and look forward to the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Play from 10:40[10:40] ..." in real blow without Jamison had note the passing game. And there's Malcom Floyd and Vincent Jackson running post patterns and just beating guys up the ball like that -- that's why I think this is where you can"...

Play from 13:44[13:44] ..." and they're going to -- can be elevate and Jay Cutler Brandon Marshall and you watch. Aren't so we have a lot to talk about the wrote the emails are piling in web radio --"...

Play from 1:44:42[1:44:42] ..." He used to be you know. They -- I chucked the ball Michael Pittman had his first hundred yard game. On last week in beating the jags before that they'd had they only had 200 yard games over a year was helping young he's injured had a hamstring. Are growing on he's expected to play but. They are eight chalk it offense they've had success doing it. Brandon Marshall are obviously but he knows indefinite suspension first week back and I think eighteen catches. Has had a very good year and"...

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Play from 1:19[1:19]" work out hopefully -- out here like. Sunday night at an appropriate opening as Patriots calmly got -- It was not a good effort but we're here it to a crushed and burned. Coming up here if W progress right here. Like. Eric on. Forever. Tuesday going to -- that -- for a second there. Paul. Here. Do. But that is about excuse Redick get things. Like three of Gary in the getting launched. It's it's impacts it skeleton crew but it -- a lot to talk about starting with the game I. The Patriots trip out -- They were really throw the -- in you know one start off by giving. An opening monologue here. You -- getting a lot of emails. -- I mean parting with the -- is back you'll -- the big picture because at all. Row of -- global player. -- want -- talked about that. I want the focus on the line. Why why absolutely I think -- can't get to -- even move -- I -- talk about -- Talk about you know that the act they talk about Mike Vrabel. Are. I -- racked. Up about it. About not quite respectable ball. I would go to their regular I don't jump ship I was with the until that you know I wanted to move -- Under. The looking at the ball and -- to -- to play right which is why. There. The defense they were defense at those are true that is. The -- you got stripped from behind. Maybe a little details of the ball there. -- Cameron had only make -- play at the great play by play my point is a lot of big beak point on the team. You are looking back I agree. He was not every. Game like he wasn't in the last time they law when I don't want to fire look at. Look at -- you know. I. And goal at the one. -- Double. B well it. It's a team that. Oh yeah I had 20/20 but maybe like -- little different out here. Open he had open receivers on both of them and yet he heavens opened on the birth weight. It locked and open on another plane rides pony and he has not recognizing the winter ball and be back side like last read. I think the question as good as the first street. Well that he'd say if Tom Brady but it and I hadn't had time mentally to scramble the Milan in the final time he felt the pressure he feels the pressure report showed that that the there. That can improve on that one but the what I have -- eat like Randy Moss on the sidelines before street goal. Is and he -- the red zone present isn't your big bodied receiver opponent please. Call. Well yeah -- And they were and then you have. I think coach Mike -- houses doing wrong don't think there's much -- but not having Moss on the field play. That that is the bad. Talk about. -- you know lining up over here. You know. Losing games we shouldn't be lose you know you get you got -- And you you're the first everybody on the planet heard it. Get out with. Different guys that. You know is no good team. The Giants lost 1. To outbid every at bat the bat off there -- no doubt about it probably did. Three weeks ago. Two out of three that -- been right oh oh and the line did not punch either quarterback in the even putts that I let alone our problem that problem. Correct the Bulls -- 8. -- do we over rate the front seven or are they playing well block below -- level expectations well which one is. No I think if we all know let them dictate that's a bigger problem than they just idly playing below there I'd seen them play better than their. A lot better in years past getting to the quarterback now you know I I I brought up during the game went well. Quick tell me that they've been doing it. You know the -- it sort of package oh a couple of blocks Belichick often rotated the -- to keep the particularly early but our. I mean -- whole -- making from. Try to drive and a guy like Richard Seymour. He'd be out different to play. There argument I think it's a fair argument now my only were I -- you were wrong I was saying the what David do. That's what they've been doing in they'd been praising the players have loved it. You know last week in San Francisco they were raving about you know it -- much pressure not only games but -- down in season. I mean it hasn't worked because I think by the end of the day that game should be dog tired while. The problem is they're not getting to the quarterback Philip Richard Seymour as I feel good that you have more energy to get my quarterback. The difference maker. There's a lot of money up front should be listed Vince Wilfork Vince Wilfork I will play well he played okay he has not played well well well the outside linebackers that we have we're going to be well yeah I hope not get anybody. -- or is -- guys who he's got the job is not get the -- It is clap clap pocket amount of -- opera."

Play from 7:54[7:54]" And I think he'd done well I that it had a pocket not collapsed. But I think they've done well again I think they have done okay against the run it did a great job I don't and they can promise I don't think you as a factor at all. But he also isn't Tomlinson but I think linebacker. And a greater your outside guys in the line that you really need to point the finger to when it comes to getting on the court that. I don't know I think you -- I mean. I'm pretty judging by act. I felt I had not how to hit -- it was you wasn't it Fred O'Donnell quarterback hits in that game. Not about -- in all -- not about that at a -- Iowa that point I'm only had what twenty carries. They carried the ball fifty times and didn't have an opportunity there already been trying to establish or Arnold they realize they were -- any pressure on the quarterback that -- for all the I don't know what the answer is but I I believe that these guys to play better than their play. In I I want that to prove or start pointing the finger at a guy who's starting for the first time in his career Madcast. The secondary is not good enough to play it was not a -- system like the Giants in years past you have Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyiora on any night you can mask deficiencies in the secondary right now I think you do that -- leading Deltha O'Neal one on one against people -- pass rush and he is going to kill. And that he can't cover that's something that we. Going to game is something that we covered after the game we want to -- and pre season president actually it -- and that. -- Depended on the front seven helping them. Yet now we. That you know that that team season and dom capers and bill -- widow. I don't know in my miss all but it does seem like there is -- You know urgent need to get a lot in the urgency there that is going to block off the ball right. They're getting beat a one on one match up -- lose in the mall you know I can play at a guy like a team like in younger. You know back you know wind what they played for the Falcons and the -- I just keep them in the pocket. What's more contained but -- right the guy can't go left to right. You know -- I don't -- in the last."

Play from 10:12[10:12]" Panthers -- real Cunningham meter they could taste in my pocket it plays happen but again it -- against the golf so. You know. That that -- model I think that's what model worse bread because all the players that after the game we knew exactly with the and you run Tom and run Tom -- the so the Chargers deep view everything you expected and you Chargers opposite didn't have Chris Chambers who tricky part of their -- game. And you couldn't stop -- is that in real blow without Jamison had note the passing game. And there's Malcom Floyd and Vincent Jackson running post patterns and just beating guys up the ball like that -- that's why I think this is where you can throw out the wildcat was caught off guard the unbalanced could adjust to it. This was there was no job adjustment necessary. You do what they were going to write you they did you in the picture but it can also that Miami game credited -- not a morning without the rock at all I wasn't even the biggest problem that's how they finished that drive the fact that they were having those are to begin with was a prominent game."

Play from 11:10[11:10]" The other thing that and I wrote about this in PFW which I knew he wanted one point four -- one. Is they look physical battle. You'll forget about you know -- guy not playing up to the level. It doesn't take a pro bowler to be physical. You know anyone to be physical football and they lost that battle big time they lost it on the offensive line they lock on the defensive line they lock it. On special teams they lost the battle of playing physical football that oh thumping at the Patriots have prided themselves on. I'm waiting game any game out in and they weren't ready was a true team lost it was a team. But yet as the battle of the trenches are all musicality really is just getting beat up front and nets on both sides of the ball the offensive line collapsed a lot. Cassel under pressure. And I'm sorry. He's not good enough quarterback counter that pressure on -- said that -- everybody else had to be a little bit better because you lost your year year safety valve and in Tom Brady making the key plays when you need you don't have that. Instead of everybody getting better like everybody across the board has that worked well I would hope. The coaches are giving these players. And top that we're giving right now that they recognize it not. That you know of these things that we think are obvious are obvious -- not -- Elected and maybe they're not that well I can't believe that team that you know in the -- and was because one guy you know that question the coach yeah. They deserve some of the -- a big chunk of absolutely you know we talk about the Miami game Dean Pees admitted he was -- would you. That's coaching. Offensively were questioning on the things are doing very coordinator. The -- was brought into gives -- dom capers was a well thought okay second or is it better. Columns. Colin all -- with a scapegoat the secondary that was going to get better now nothing has gotten better and all these coaches you have that are supposedly great coaches. From bill bell a check at the top two dom capers and Dean Pees to Josh mcdaniels who -- has raved about. The job done either not -- the level look at the team is concerning. And I -- our. There's been more negative positive. I I happen to believe that going to bounce back at Denver Monday night. You know will eat. They're in trouble they don't because -- like -- and they're going to -- can be elevate and Jay Cutler Brandon Marshall and you watch. Aren't so we have a lot to talk about the wrote the emails are piling in web radio -- comments email address that web radio pictures dot com. The phone number five away 543742. On the phone right now is Chris with a DI AN Chris you do it."

Play from 14:06[14:06]" I'm okay we'll call you guys -- to what you're going on here at. The end retool. I called last week in Austria optimistic obviously at this their friend -- and I don't know which seems just."

Play from 14:21[14:21]" Like after the Miami game. It's just like -- continued in the -- and get that creepy and feel again."

Play from 14:27[14:27]" Like the offense came all biggest -- defense and it really wanted to do."

Play from 14:33[14:33]" On to say that they that they knew what was calmer and -- stop. Three that -- very hesitant and that's and that's you know. I really well to get it's it's -- of Brady. These guys just stopped playing and and and and then not point to -- at least succeeded seen them play and they do do we over the line a little bit navy."

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Play from 14:56[14:56]" Just get no pressure at and suspect -- as you do what it is the other night and and I agree that you guys that's a question I have."

Play from 15:04[15:04]" What's up -- campus you know like we saw he was brought -- help coach these guys -- in the eighties and you know scheme couple double blitzing. I haven't seen that."

Play from 15:15[15:15]" Well with papers the secondary hasn't been terrible in terms. Individual performances I think until the last couple weeks on -- that it really -- is no Astros. Ilya guys -- one they gonna get beat if it they'll O'Neill's at me he doesn't have a lot of great personal work with and -- really throw real keepers can do and as far as what to learn. Couple plays in the game and -- really Bosnia when you see Harrison close the line annually had team and -- back the you do with the secondary. Carolina has yet it took -- you do. -- those big bomb. Harrison's way over the line of scrimmage that would be found playing if you keep it on Harrison it's not with a coaches putting."

Play from 15:53[15:53]" And that was the plane could tell about it afterwards right on going man up with -- the sake you're you're gonna get challenged can't do. It not any that because I don't think James Sanders is this great. Ed Reed that are not at all safety who can car right now it's -- deep part yeah Kirk he may I think that would have been in Colorado a lot of veterinary college they used him at the line of scrimmage they never had him so drastic editors and can't do."

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Play from 17:05[17:05]" Every part and what -- I think the offensive line is not played well. Because I think they have to step up like we talked that video and they happen. Maybe they're not getting killed but. They're not giving him that extra half second they're taking away at a different -- those deficiencies because he can step up in the pocket to live right to left. And he can deal with adequate protection the -- and ask half the proper protection order to succeed. Does it and at the same -- or pocket presence the great."

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Play from 17:41[17:41]" Does the president get -- that'll help had a couple nice rides where he put together in March down the field and they get into the red zone they have problems of being that line. Because you know you get a guy who doesn't have the decision making capabilities. Oh yeah unique pounded him when you were in goal from the one you tell your -- of line calls the running both do echoed -- their butts off and we're gonna -- it three times a putted it to the ends and incapable that. Now they should -- they haven't been asked to do that long time."

Play from 18:14[18:14]" Publicly but they've got pretty happy where these great by running backs that we would you Arnold -- my point and yet. But but still had that in March for a while and that first lady's -- the American goal line -- latest -- open. I didn't yeah."

Play from 18:33[18:33]" More averaging two point security -- and that's not good a couple of my yet. All that these guys are being overexposed and asked you to much they're complementary back at this point careers. I mean you know you don't get the Laurence Maroney is that the problem is that includes Laurence Maroney. I don't know what's going out with him and he supposed to be that the back. They picked them to be that beaten they did not attempt to have a role they picked him to be that guy. But you know -- At the end of the day it's second and 13 and one from the one I don't care who's -- piece of the ball you get. An but I cannot affect the ultimate line that they've rarely have been asked to do that over the years how many times that we this team for a third and ones and fourth and once -- the ball Tom Brady dropping back and throw these little out. They've never been asked to do it now that you as a -- and I really go to jail we gotta be of well I think the and open is and -- athletic center who is not capable of blocking a good nose to migrate there are more -- an athletic -- physical -- so -- to have your quarterback run the show your quarterback is going to listen you've got tight -- but he -- should be able to accomplish something to get one -- I think that's a major problem calling the offense has an identity they don't know what they are capable of accompanying or know what they're going to do we get around -- dink and dunk we throw it deep part. I don't know enough of working. Good point aren't Christian thanks for the all."

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Play from 24:12[24:12]" Four other blogs and your favorite team did Patriots dot com. On the somewhere RI welcome back POW private yeah we have a lot of stories come from my. Over the will get. More importantly -- talk about. Game. -- Patriots but a lot of stuff happened. Two oh in new group of Eric and Paul up the whole week. We'll get -- all of that over the course of the week for you to. I need to. Was brought up radio interview yesterday on the obvious reaction to this game. On. Secondary getting obliterated right. And I think that you'd you'd be better in the secondary and obviously playing well the quarterback. But the bottom line. Bill Belichick decided at that position. -- with Ty Law on -- as he is only so much value he's willing to spend it right I'm okay with that. But the problem is -- where he seems to have almost limitless ceiling on contracts. Is the front. Where he has Richard Seymour and Ty Warren and even Jarvis Green -- in a time. Dale Thomas they you know -- try him right. I. Don't think that up right now they think. -- the play we're spending all his money. Isn't performing in the place where he doesn't think my related scandal are out there they were just Paraguay let's look at the all pro pro bowlers look at -- you know everybody from top to bottom this team right now about it example I -- to -- and -- in the rookie if you guys want to wait until -- Denver I have a cap which I'm. And who would be in the right now the guys that are making these speak like you don't play well. Don't and one way. For all. Tom Brady would have won the way -- play now with the -- at all is his decision making and his reaction time in the red zone yet which comes experience why we are putting a guy who has less experience. Sort of has more. Call but that's -- know and it felt there. It is Matt Williams will tell you it's not -- right where overall I don't totally accurate I think a quarterback would some game experience could be more comfortably Matt Cassel was the first -- breakdown he talks are -- around and talk about the every player in the hit you man. -- from the thing from college to pro is the speed of the game right it -- opening or -- Cassell didn't get a chance to make that jump with making the jump from high right it's a good -- but can't have a problem -- decision making -- exactly he's never seen the game B it is not going to make it did you know they -- them and get the ball and -- money. And by the tornado and when holding teams under seventeen we're losing games. Then I'll talk about -- cap right that it doesn't always happen. I don't care who the quarterback. You know if you give up thirty points a game like they did. I don't really care of my quarterback."

Play from 27:21[27:21]" You delegate Lawrence Taylor west an is put him on the line up tomorrow that we go back to last year where we talked on the show that the defense was overeat what's that it. But the offense was getting out big leads with rate. That's the thing you don't really know we don't if somebody came in whatever quarterback Gutierrez O'Connell Brady and Tom Brady right on the right and make in Lowell. And hit. Austin had any its rating my. All the and the fourteen point lead how does that change the other team out of that have a snowball effect and -- you never know that steroids debate the other team one dimensional which is what it all -- right area that's my appointment. Today. A change at quarterback would have no effect because they hit those past there's going to be effect all they don't have the quarterback beat me. It's into court about premier program has a title -- now Mac has the Kevin O'Connell I don't want like should I do delivery of those games have been more about it. I think they want. Well we don't know that we don't know how to would have gone off to our. Hear me it would have been fourteen in order. To much because reported nothing of the team."

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