PFW in Progress - 11/20/2008

Thu, 20 Nov 2008

Listen to this edition of PFW in Progress as we preview all the week 12 NFL games and offer our picks. We'll discuss all the matchups heading into this Sunday's game with the resurgent Miami Dolphins.

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Play from 3:11[3:11] ..." as always. And -- around it's a good time had by all LaMont Jordan was sleeping as always I actually was walking up to LaMont Jordan talked on and he put his. But it what you over and and I I just missed them before it's a consultant"...

Play from 32:47[32:47] ..." gives you great big plays. And it gives you bad plays like Dante Hall -- he was on his height but only why he's and they gave you three yarder -- it is good like better."...

Play from 39:17[39:17] ..." the other team has something about it. We've had enough now where Joey Porter shut his mouth off -- had force that it could change that. At one. And -- that golf and killed them when"...

Play from 54:17[54:17] ..." And look for a big day from Randy Moss assuming they -- Joey Porter because reporters in the backfield every play. Doesn't matter as bill with say you know pass coverages about the rushes well there"...

Play from 1:15:00[1:15:00] ..." this time your your typical three word Ellis Thomas Eric Alexander and LaMont Jordan once again was whipping at his locker. But the number four yesterday it was Jonathan Wilhite who accord the participation report had"...

Play from 1:44:25[1:44:25] ..." the difference in the game little bit of a battle here between Troy Williamson's former coach and war of words because he's been at Williams at last year when he went to a few ruler find"...

Play from 1:57:47[1:57:47] ..." keep an -- and that lightning now I want to see if Joey Porter picks like pregame with a double punting disrespect warmup and which Patriot may or may not take debate. I I Italian. I"...

Play from 0:05[0:05]" PFW in progress. Yeah PFW in progress. For a corners. And lines definitely yeah Paul Perillo. What person. As an end and yeah. Andy Hart. Your -- Think it's. I'm married. Now and radiation and grinding and ultimately. That's an now anyway and -- three errors and just sitting on your list of all the goodness. PFW in progress part of the Patriots involvement in back. And 82 parties Dillon's role patient -- don't make it better control them all over the mountain and Coke and more important. We've been champion and I don't. Pro. -- yeah. All right that is Paul Perillo sorry. Credit era and --"

Play from 1:17[1:17]" But -- we are here PFW in progress in it was here he's gone again where there are cute Joba. All married to wolf down a plate. Some of whom Eric will be here at some point. A big Thursday. Got really really quiet. Really. Ghost will get -- that -- Or that we get a little bit due to open -- later on we'll have the question. But he can -- for. All of part walked in with a plate. Piled. High with food in the second one. I always start off taco neck and back and a -- that would be reached at have a hole in the middle make. You'll like this trio. It's -- up that -- away and Albert you were. A little party on the radio. Why am -- crunch read everything else that radio yeah blow it on one per although -- you do it. Anyway we're getting ready for the big game in Miami and I'm little I'm feeling good. Natural up."

Play from 2:33[2:33]" What did you feel pretty good about this game I don't think Miami has enough offensively and I think that's kind of ironic. Given away the Patriots started the first seven. Except in the week but now I feel like the Patriots are going to I'm relatively confident they'll move the ball was points and much keep up. Good -- locker room threat and you know though that. -- was very you know I'd say it was quiet guys that it was ago. Don't know when that those that would action to be joined. -- my final plan dominoes having a total times the receivers would on the and Randy Moss and Gaffney as always. And -- around it's a good time had by all LaMont Jordan was sleeping as always I actually was walking up to LaMont Jordan talked on and he put his. But it what you over and and I I just missed them before it's a consultant for is now well he was out. There was just the bodies were few and far between ten. But I knew we would indeed -- the mood of those that was a -- that were around seem to be pretty light. I always think that I ever tickets at downcast locker room. Yeah. The war. That be. There. You know. I. Yeah. That -- But he was fairly tight end. Greatly -- today yes and I caught a little him at the podium threat Cabrera podium up format. And couple interesting they talked about his running which is -- obviously. In a pretty significant part of his improvement over the last couple games he just talked about. With the Jets game in particular. And Bill Belichick mentioned that as well the amount of man to man coverage that they they employed. In that game and that leaves a lot of Alley to run -- because obviously the coverage guys with their men. And that he and gaps now what you get beyond the the three men rushed at the Jets -- point -- He thought that was one of the big reasons why was it as much in the ground but. Talked about not lighting and maybe need to do a little bit more of that. What somebody hit a study did a good job of that Thursday night last Thursday night but he slid effectively after some long runs cup on nineteen yard -- he. Major indicated at the end of at all talking about USC a little bit read it and he was ask them questions about. You know -- if you note you know or he recognizes any irony in the fact that the guys that he was behind. For all those years -- now currently not playing well he is playing in eating. First it was kinda quick to point out differences between tolerant and line. He he said I was Palmer's understand I I was his back up he was. You know I learned a lot from him. But with with whined it was a different relationship because we competed and we collaborated. And I was behind him by. It was a different. Dynamic been with Palmer. With an offensive when -- no I study it did very. Very well and -- with with a lot of class as you know was as a competitor and he. You know in his heart of hearts he felt like he could about what line right. I mean how many times and boy I don't know you probably never yeah like Tom Brady you know and need for the life right you probably hated everything. But announcers. When he Riley came up over eighty with Iowa who who grew up. I don't know -- any -- beat -- three sports well okay actually. I bet. -- in three different ball. But. My point being more -- Did not get an opportunity right away and felt like we want to -- him it was -- at. I think that's comment athletic thing I'm sure that -- Felt like if he could have gotten ten play. And UAU all those weapons that liner had at his disposal I'm sure Cassel felt like he could have been pretty successful to right field even more like that now. But he didn't say anything like. -- felt like there was difference between I agree with immunity got that -- but I feel like is it to mr. Palmer won yet he backed them both up. But it's like. Aaron Rodgers right now there's -- difference -- backing up Brett Favre and and if you would -- lose his job to. Matt mock follow on Matt went up on the LSU quarterback that that's there now -- or Brian Brohm if you lose -- those contemporaries those guys that. You know he should be on even footing when he had no chance related beat out Carson Palmer US. -- it's different. But and I was kind of the one short of the council. Could. Otherwise it was pretty quiet now and I'm continuing with my fact finding mission to find out just how many people. Know about but you know about the ties -- this week and had. Again I'm not going to issue winning games right now I told everybody I wouldn't using any names. But. I think it had twelve now that I pulled altogether and five. Didn't know. And to a -- did know asked me specifically with the procedure isn't a player. They nobody could tie the game how to do in the plan and ask one of them today and asked me guys that you seriously skewed around me -- the procedure. Oh there is an indecision. And that's coming up on all. You like we cross pollinate and and promote. Mike -- asked Belichick about it and bill and vote there will be in PFW as well but after it airs on Saturday. Bill is that it certainly understandable for players not to know. That rule but he did qualified at the end by saying. I think that you quarterback needs to note. So and it and it was kind of I thought I I I did not only got the audio guy on a video of it it was. Kind of a -- of kinda it's kind of you know reading reading between -- Belichick shocked I think their quarterback of me now that you would know."

Play from 8:48[8:48]" Should not be surprised. Really how little. He's. Pro players are student of the game. You know I've I'll I've told this story before remember the Pittsburgh the game where the -- lost in Pittsburgh in the play outlets though. It was -- get sick Vrabel stripped him. I I didn't I didn't have a eight. At the window because very crowd like that in the back and watch on TV and with will McDonough of the late will McDonough and only it. If you want to know anything about football don't have football player all the knows what they're told to do they don't. They don't care about learning anything beyond that you know I think district of."

Play from 9:28[9:28]" And I -- you know. There's a lot of football players -- can tell you absolutely everything right and on the field the rare but no but I don't think that they know a whole lot beyond the -- like. Tom Brady can tell you not only what everybody's doing why. I think that there are a lot of guys in the league that that could tell you what everybody's doing -- When asked why he would -- deal with it told. You know I do what I'm told and that's built on children right. And everybody -- that difficult probably a lot of good players. That known not only their job but the job of those around them but don't and -- in the concept of why. You know Mike Vrabel could probably tell you wide bill's gonna have a specific game plan for a specific team or another guy and I don't want to use negative names. You know get away by another guy might might just say okay Chad Jackson that the game plan for that team. And -- when I'm told that and that's what and he might know everybody else do we smart enough to recognize. The patterns in the gap and techniques and all that stuff but he not might not really have an idea of why that is and and you know come a lot of we've talked about the war. Who played pro ball would not be good coach. -- I don't think there's any question because I don't in the game well enough. Or have the I got a chance to -- the audio. That they that the Patriots guys take you -- sports productions and now to listen to the coaches explained after the players miked. You know maybe with a -- it would cypress forest because it's a whole different language and I'm not -- knowledge from languages and it was amazing to hear. That detail and it and it. It it be one thing if you're at a team meeting. And they prepared for that meeting but this is. The opera coordinator in the in the receivers coach go over after just happened on the field. To -- this scene stepping in immediately extrapolating from what they are on the field. -- the players it was ridiculously detailed an in depth and a -- a much bigger. Appreciation for the amount of knowledge that you need to have."

Play from 11:40[11:40]" Now how much of that when they're going over that detail in a hurry like that how much you think that the players actually okay and it how much. You know when when the coach saying. How valuable is a guy like Rodney Harrison for example of millionaire he's a guy that really soak that in and then kind of wears them knowledge to the other guy."

Play from 11:59[11:59]" Good point and I might be -- again I don't want to be negative but that might be an example. Rodney Harrison probably understands why write something years and maybe James Sanders and and Brandon Meriweather. Understand what they're supposed to do what are others around him was I don't know I'm not in a bad taste but I think that's a logical thing Randy Moss understands why it is."

Play from 12:19[12:19]" I mean -- ever play college ball you never play -- while you played vaguely old Eric up and Eric of course but now. When I was these guys on the radio players interview I know they can't -- the object of the game plan that they're doing they don't want to. When they talk generally about the position that bakery. I -- very little knowledge has not met. I you know and I don't know much but there's usually nothing that I learn from any of these guys are. I think a lot of it."

Play from 12:50[12:50]" I think to piazza to a lot of it. Doesn't relieve an interest me am I am a pretty hardcore football fan but I think the -- to a technical that it kinda. It pours me a little bit well you don't really know. That the team but even -- General technique like any any notice something that ready -- that deep ball last week. That the -- Cassel threw Oman. Any any you mention right away he kind of funny -- is he Showalter is if my children elderly and trying to Fella cut and that's I think that is what happens you know based on some of the commie -- right now actually I think cost them completion right but -- like little intricacies like that. And you know did you see him in oh. I think radio also talked about it the very first game of the year against Kansas City. But he noticed he was back footing you know our our. He he's on the on the heels that the quarterback or something like that and that's what he he altered his route and went deep the bald cap hit them over the top. Another big third eleven that's the -- made that -- that kind of stuff it's very important for the players and all but I'm not sure how much the average. You know the average joke at that."

Play from 14:00[14:00]" Well I mean I don't know why I think that you know when example. You -- with the line okay. What's he doing in the reason why coach telling him to do certain things Russia's way. You know they at home way back but the linebacker behind him. -- you know all like a trickle down thing you know every one big picture. At the coach now but a lot of times the line Paulino was what they've been all."

Play from 14:32[14:32]" I think there's a lot actions that. You know. And but he. And his lectures and I think sometimes to. Be honest. They have a job to do. And it's the people behind them whose job changes based on that though right asking the guided due to no more than he needs to know sometimes for a lot of players a lot of human beings is. It's counterproductive. Like me with computers. Dollars -- just just what I nobody knows how to open word and type historians say that included and you don't mean to put an attack in an email and do all things that I need to do what to do my daily or. But desperate to do too much and I'm going to get overloaded and computer -- be done in time right and they are my story gets screwed up well there's something to be said for that on them."

Play from 15:16[15:16]" But the bottom line is these guys aren't every every guy that comes at a pro football. Is not an expert on pro football right. Nor is. Nor are most most coaches that start out that's why they put in a lot of long hours to learn their specific scheme learned the adjustment I mean it's all. It is very much a in a language or. A math whereas you're learning the base and then the second level builds on what you -- in the first level and the adjustment in the -- a lot of the rate of what oh is it on. I don't know yet that deer in headlights looks so don't get as Natalie -- at the radio. Our heads that just like everybody alternative -- speakers. With over having a great moment. That that not only there at -- I think you should know the answer either way you can hit it. Yeah get. Him. Not not a little experimentation while on the -- jobs are at PFW in progress. In --"

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Play from 20:18[20:18]" At the bigger picture here PFW writers history great moment featuring two of the stars of the 2008 Patriots out. We need to get a return visit do you think that they would do it now -- well look at -- I think I think tap home I'm not shall. But he had to -- He had to -- have them you know he's polite -- about you know guy -- big time acting like real human being here oh about Tony Romo. He throttle I do care about the help of my homeless guy -- help somebody on the road that. Change a tire to tire earlier in the year yeah right in the any any. Money. Or homeless guy advocates will movie and that the guy. In the whole movie in the all the guys like you know I'd -- to have a -- while. Homo homo. Art that and Roosevelt wrote -- roles that are right I hang around locker I. Let go."

Play from 21:18[21:18]" And he's very likable and everything you hear about him he seems pretty. Easily get along with every line and anyone's. Okay certainly shouldn't be referred to as what you just -- right. It. The -- He's pretty genuine. Now whether that continues -- still relatively early on in the holes -- Els. It changed by now. You would have changed. It I hope I hope he -- it out. About what a playoff and now I'm talking about. He turned and he gets a lot of -- on the attack. I had a lot of not what I'm saying he gets a lot of credit. I'm right -- what he has an adoring public he is vilified for not having won by and Andy has changed so I don't really anticipate him changing. The when they get out. At the top. It. But in terms of a liberty he has. Yet in terms of being. Quarterback. That. Are right so in terms of being pampered in May be changing in that way. He's at the point where that could have happened. As -- while on the road but he seems pretty genuine I was almost want to. Request etiquette and but wouldn't want Michael get them to -- Role model to. I move on it I'd go watch that. It was in Dallas right so it's not like it was frigid Munich it's the around here -- you buy your way into someplace where you'd be warm but. I think you want them eat. -- with -- maybe holes. But it's the second time this year that he's done the Joe average good -- that one -- to tire in the -- tape the game and in one -- How the game turned out post game. Agreements -- what that happened here. All of a sudden my emails ago on who engendered in. He leaned on the delete button and it's one but he knows how to use. I still can't believe he plays something and then goes wait -- review that something's weird going on here. Something is we are going on here and indeed it okay got -- we're back. We're back with what happened."

Play from 23:48[23:48]" All of a sudden there's new older that popped up in my outlook. And that it would that it conflicts local failures are over and then web radio. Around. World -- web radio I blame for -- Blame you -- Happen for a lot -- Anyway should we could go back to go to another -- don't look at the elbow deep in the chicken right now I hope that enough -- People deal he has them and they took a part of that as did you praise Apollo. -- guys mile or not he's active that's. The thing that -- RE. Let them email. Josh in York Maine. -- at the Patriots schedule Miami is a must win game it tough to play in Miami but the pat always rebound well. It was a -- look liked to protect the problematic games I think the toughest game have to play and we. Get Arizona. Howell -- secondary cover Boldin and Fitzgerald call me a homer but I the -- shocked everyone went out at twelve. He's homer. I don't know that they're going to have trouble. And then you can going to win anyway that he can have trouble and still I think they've gotten much better over the he's even though that -- questionable at times they've. -- play well enough. 2001 the -- I'm not coming off a lot Lewis at home. I'm hoping for another magical run by injuries I don't think we have a better group of players now. Q a better team because the 1 Patriots -- the greatest teams all sport is. Not a complete -- I'm in Portland Maine worry go to college I did not get the pay is a game that don't get the NFL network and get were out the viewing area. I watch what I could on line but the coverage -- that he needed shall have."

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Play from 26:48[26:48]" There. But we we talked about that Arizona game that one could be greatly determined by the weather if it's a really windy cold. Ugly Foxborough date for that game that will greatly help the Patriots if it as a Indian summer or whatever it -- 55 degrees and not very windy they might be in trouble that's why I'm 106 and seven at exactly the game I agree. A 100% I think if it's a good day just hands but it's also another one of those days where again Wednesday while the front seven can do anything -- a guy you bang him around a little bit he's not the quarterback -- he has. You give him time and he consistently put the 300 yards though. At another one of those were going to be pointing to maybe it'll be -- dogs. Hungary's around -- he starts they'll maybe they think he's coming back up. Or we can get early perceptions that the bills Thomas idea."

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