PFW in Progress - 9/12/2007

Wed, 12 Sep 2007

Listen to this edition of PFW in Progress as the PFW staff discuss the league's investigation into the Patriots videotaping of the Jets defensive signals Sunday in New York. Take a break with Fred, Paul, Andy, Tom and newcomer Erik Scalavino as they give you the latest scoop from Gillette Stadium and answer your questions. Listen LIVE Tuesday - Friday at noon (ET) and email your comments to webradio@patriots.com.

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Play from 5:51[5:51]" about everybody else doing it and you know -- in the closet wouldn't it be. Fairly reasonable that if a team what doing -- you know what was in fact doing it as well. That they wouldn't be willing to be blowing in it was right. Old now in the last. I don't know 21 games maybe you wouldn't. The patriots have been used. Pretty much on the record. At least four times of doing. And we on that those 14 at least probably weren't doing it back yes an unfortunate -- might want to drink. The ally in the actors it's coaches that I question. And it -- My point. My point that was so quick brushed under the rug is something that quote everybody L doing but yet there's a whole division worth of teams at the minimum. -- aren't doing right or are. Like you're -- They're playing awfully dangerous -- Not then there may not be doing they don't do well -- didn't -- him that maybe you lines -- not do it with my. Doing a video cameras but they're not so brazen as to guide a patriot jacket standing on the sideline. We have on the open to doing it. A little more or. When they outward. Or at what behind closed or the Ramada by the -- furcal overtly yet like out. For the medium or something. Where as the patriots did you -- Right out there don't. Now and look R and a and the appointment that people trying to make about that you know if the whole notion of not union not Tryon and all that and to bring him baby and I think there's I think there's an element of today you looking to get any advantage that you and but I do think the difference between -- the report that we -- last year in Miami. Of the adult players taking -- from TV and trying to link up the audio in and and and read lit into all that that need. If that's what they did okay let me state that would now like that's not what they did -- gotten out in the -- no other things they came out -- that they basically did something on the -- and video they tape which is illegal right now that that's actually by the rule. That I'd I'd I'd do have a problem with by the -- if they did that if they did epic on their own rate they recorded -- on their own in addition. To be I I have a problem with that I think that cheating. But what they took it from the old radio network. What -- they yeah. Every not a shortage of just from that around I don't have a problem that that's not -- from the game. But he understands what do you. I don't know if you've constructed the -- pointed directly at Tom Brady now battalion recording. -- that you're going out of your way to record. And I mean I actually just -- the gray area at least something like that would have a gray area you had your radio network -- you may have sort of that it get a chance even towards Brady this if there's gray area -- They have a guy with a video camera and the that's the part of there's not that was -- of a choice that no experience part of the statement. I'm -- you know I think that bill basically was trying to eliminate the barrage of questions I was really to come his way -- the statement didn't work. To do that because the questions came his way. As they should he kept falling back on the statement which was what we all figured he would do that fine. I don't think they've -- early -- anybody outside of the organization in the league an explanation personally. Robert Kraft and Iguodala who did he hit the patriots organization -- in the NFL in general. On yet he he is obligated in my mind answered them by head there's large portion of the fan base. The in which people that don't trust into the way -- and they -- electric bill we've gotten. Ridiculous emails -- PFW to -- You don't you don't want to end and they just keep into the top of the page as they come in and people about the people that -- to -- that -- And I -- I don't care right elbow. -- pride. Like you that India the other quality people are actually -- I was I was really really -- I thought I'd kind of like -- and I were talking yesterday. I thought it was kind of one of those deal yeah it's a big deal I wasn't -- downplaying it but I didn't think it was. You know as as big as it turned out to beat and it they for a second that we would get the amount of email. Out writing in my -- levels I've been shocked at how quickly that no balled into a massive -- Well I think it is Matt story but I don't really think I'm -- media. The implications on football self I didn't think doors -- they turned out I."

Play from 10:51[10:51]" And donned a ball what do you think about Adam after reports. Everything on the table and I think it should be included ally I expect that because I do think he is a you brought up -- he said dad. That's -- I heard a new a new. I don't know he has that dad dale could tell how a senator. Who was of the three. For lack of it would be senator I understand audience who guys like known for sort of going against the grain on major issues if you believe something to be the right way he didn't even the politics and A all Republicans -- That's an inning and the way people describe it on the radio yesterday he has a -- painting -- in his office and he could be. You know living in that legacy of this is what the Goodell family does if we think jumping right we come down on hard regardless of what public. You know owners whoever me think so. I think he's tech -- if he thinks this is a really bad thing he thinks this is a huge deal he comes down are you mentioned alot of the point about Washington to what you think -- got off to an easier being. Boy you come down packed into -- mind these other guys you as I hit it. -- it's neat to become down cultures now. Who breaking -- and bringing you know a negative light -- had a valid point and I imagine that happening this team is -- it's not gambling affecting the of the if you don't think it's on the open up if both teams are. I think I'm playing field."

Play from 12:24[12:24]" And I don't care you know I've I've heard a lot of the different you know sort of explanation. And rationalizations it's a competitive advantage and and right they wouldn't do yeah it can build till telecheck in my opinion it's like okay. And he wouldn't be going with troubled doing something -- he didn't -- reported -- that of people that via an almighty did oversees. Four I don't evidence I give you. -- my opinion I have to I have to these guys cocky and she can Izturis and did you can't read what -- want to areas that are -- and out to. Relative -- they want one period there you know telling and those -- mom under the bus came to and he he can handle herself she cries a lot but she's a couple. But that that that one I certainly would agree with -- because you know. I think there's an element of arrogance it is now the other one way outside the box in Indy over the top in bill we trust gets credit yeah he did it because you know everybody else is doing and he wanted to get it which. The -- you wanted to. Welcome back if you think it's wrong and can though however you do that you admit that the committee and change in the he's just like every other team tried to do to make this mockery."

Play from 13:43[13:43]" It to your team right but adults you know we've kind of forgot about it pretty -- game colored up the chargers and nobody cares about it right now what the press conferences and that this week about using it to take a first round pick the team back at a finally they drafted at least that's. They used to practice -- that you -- there to first rounder right now which gives you ability if you want to trade up one thing to get a player common now that take away without ability. Yeah it definitely -- teams that draft pick away in this weekend. Outcome and tell me you don't want to upset that stat you can article how can. Draft weekend that he won't be in the jewelry of the Columbine we'll just predict brother he. But that's the reason I don't go right cup. Because built wouldn't hurt the team trying to win football games I think that's the last and that hurt his team no matter who they otherwise that the players don't care. All it takes over the focus away. Oh that's why don't think well I'm just trying to prove a point believe I agree with you Paul I think he would do in -- way yeah."

Play from 14:57[14:57]" Mean I make I -- that say for argument it that you know for a fact it's going on. And you want to get rid of a case that your his his motives are genuine okay he will rid the league of this. -- finally -- you know. Oh -- she. Why not go to the commissioner garner Robert to go to commissioner and if that -- that it went this how they're doing it -- right why would you want I don't does -- exhibited. I'll shoulder and -- I'm going to do a slightly dominated caught -- I've gotten caught the -- aren't a minimum of three times that we know. Charlie casually talked about one that happened early in the year that he didn't mention the teams and we don't know that. And -- lions are on record in the -- run record for what happened three times in post it. And Goodell came down hard on in the offseason and it it my -- equipment and -- Against a team that you know is going to nobody does it. In the jet he doesn't like that. I think it -- I think that they've figured I'm going to do it at the cadets are -- the -- yesterday it's a word that's worth -- a lot on WEEI -- when those guys just -- issue. I think -- Oakland went that it at a competitive advantage -- in -- competitive arrogance of adrenaline that -- Imply that a hundred times on the insure that you know any competitive advantage I don't get a team going and."

Play from 16:28[16:28]" At the players he talked to old are well tighter tighter march -- taught him. In guys like that I heard rod Woodson talk it and Terrell Davis and they were they in which you can do it did take the Polaroid that you get from the game. And that you could take the I'll go after the first order halftime try to cup. We're going odd that -- with their formation with the running out of Ortiz should be fan and beyond. If it moral advantages -- advantage whatever it is not as. Dominate every coverage but they know he's. -- play -- that I'll you know that that back in it okay. If for all willing to -- a great coach K he's a great game planners great preparation guy. And what not. How much more valuable would it -- for him to have. A couple other extra -- work with Brett how much more valuable would that be like anything -- direct at a level playing field. You give him a couple of extra bullet to work with and he's -- beautiful. -- give their email address out so we can actually fans who like chime in and bring you and I aren't. -- radio Patriot Act on Greg genie you're out there anyone else who might and by 3543748. Point three -- eight that cheating the video. They run that -- not politically that it crosses out on the field I always try to line coaches do it when he. I didn't have a video to do it comical. When he talked about like you know. How much easier awarded and right to have that kind of stuff I heard a little -- RO at a little Larry this is well and there were all pretty much universally in agreement all the players -- a little bit interest and I the quick question I I came in right at the end on the on an -- where they had crop. Earth and I cut the and a good idea what. Played out in that it would be -- the guys and they. Centuries and then yeah we're talking about it Eddie pretty much of the -- was they were talking about the between baseball and football hopefully -- yet in that's the thing that TV all baseball he did you know you can throw the guy and things like that what they -- that you know. It was the camera that they. Yeah yeah."

Play from 18:56[18:56]" it and second. Connect it. The famous playoff game with the giants and the Dodgers back in yeah the only dirty yesterday and white people universally -- how -- I going to panic I would want him -- moments in baseball. But it's been tarnished because I am real doubt whether or not there was a camera out there that would change the whole thing that technology -- what changes. You know it changes from gamesmanship which the word now the euphemism that. Has been thrown out there are cheating for -- absolutely -- that -- from gamesmanship. To flat out cheating and to me like any college program that gets caught. And you might it and Bagwell and all the major programs that are doing things in recruiting violations of what about when you get caught. You get punished you go on probation at that point -- because a 120. Division one college 212 or probably joke -- the right away I don't know the not a terrible. But I -- fascinating topic I was surprised by the way that the amount of players that that actually in the locker room today talking. Now more -- I don't think about it I don't know commented on the outlining haven't fall. And -- Larry Izzo spoke I didn't really hear hands like in what he and I didn't I talk to and he said. I annoying about it we don't we weren't in involved with the has played on grass the typically if they'll double check it ended. We -- do and he said. -- will continue to play continue to move on because we're not about one coach one player anything where a team here will treat the -- way to do that at that that. A lot and I. It from eight Roger Goodell level that's my I don't take graphics I just -- the for a week. How -- I know he's been at for a week and make sure he's not drawing up the game plan you know anybody -- is actually. With why you spend -- six. And guy because he is he is that. Michael aren't too and I don't want him not not real laws and I tell you think you'll be in -- I didn't. -- Yeah willingness to cheat you spending emperor cheating you don't think there's a chance he -- the Valentine's -- he should argue that has -- let them know. Yeah shown that he doesn't have an ethical problem with banning the rule -- I know is that. I think it would be just that I agree with you that -- followed -- now that I think data stupidity didn't mention editor of sport like that violate what 8 like it it's not elation -- for games right. And now I think the -- have to -- to you know find it. I defined should be I want it morning second and fourth in -- two under 50000 dollar fine. I think that you hit an owner to say. Keep an -- and you got you know hit you in the pocketbook I think he's -- them. My you know -- apartment and I think and they say I know wins and he makes me money but now starting to really actually cost me. And money on the other end and tarnishing your -- repeat and I don't you don't like that big thing for people especially Gallagher you know. That really cares about it in public image his persona. That tarnished image how different we talked a little about the yesterday how different is this than me. The dynasty that there's been cheating allegations whether it's cap with the niners -- At the head of the tone of these dealers in terms of being you know they had the best Jews and we're on the forefront of that I think that they've been aren't."

Play from 22:39[22:39]" Eating salary cap thing -- party got the players on the field you know ideally he needed to get them right there the steroid thing. How many people are doing generally I think the dealers in my opinion if they were too important everyone else that -- I don't know where it's. Most people -- otherwise the world they -- great but the cowboys were demoted to bet that supposedly a little. The two teams in the -- and it was a lot of drugs I think it's great. In my opinion -- yeah I agree with you I stayed in history the cowboy. -- call it up and we not think -- And I'm Gina I'm white I'd -- Dallas Cowboys to right they order call eight Bangkok or -- whoever aunt in law that the old they played by the rules I just say. I defy you to find me a great coach who didn't bend or break the mail to John Corey he. Way I got -- And I need to -- actually breaking a rule or not at -- and that's what I camera thing I think can't I think his breaking a rule. Picking up -- signals by watching. Right back to the -- well it was a well welcome -- when he had. He and I beat either he took a guy -- him a guy they have to walk on freshman. Spent the entire -- them and then the game over the why he was on the other line and then call. And that cheating yet. To -- actually and that happened what 17 was at the 47 years ago. Well I really do believe on some level weather in direct. Or -- Lee going to get their old cheating accept I think -- in my opinion you know that you basically you have by the problem too. They warned the teams with the patriots -- typically at the top of the list but that does and they still -- Paul that -- a New York jet coached by me and idiot Bryant able. It week."

Play from 24:46[24:46]" And evidently it is an -- and maybe Gary he's spreading it already you get the chance -- in. From the daily news that you know one of the writers -- her -- from the Hartford current actually mad at me. That -- genie is quoted as saying. You know we were looking forward today is because we knew that we knew how they did it they've done it several years in the past and we knew they would be doing it again that -- you know I -- or try to if we could find it but the other part I just I can't. Every -- at about the NFL cracking down. Well what India realm of possibility that the NFL just said we're going to be watching where I mean. You about it got a cup car who give warning and the next season and when you ask him that they -- he's not getting another. I'll take it up for that you're you Telerate what what what were -- on the bird. -- to graduate and you can't stop until into. Okay before we take going to the crowd here these 21 in queens the talk about the pick and."

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Play from 27:03[27:03]" You don't give -- a good point because -- private and public as the commissioner at all. Like we we only know being reported right now but does he have more stuff that he knows a ball like -- at that radio frequency data that I became a little bit receipt of more information. Could that be go to bed basically you're talking about 14 but it should open I can take it. I think he thinks he's an life changing the game back in in a negative mystique and it started 2000 wandered into our 2000 advocate you know -- and I. That's very you know takes a look at that they would you know to take a way to -- of what the well it calls it all a question like the steroid thing. You don't we talked about it a lot we go with pride in the eight DH. He's ready to get a couple of years go to try to heal more quickly from that devastating injury suffered in Pittsburgh well. Only -- to know how much of performer before that may it may -- may -- and we don't. Now and that's what we know if he's doing now we know we wasn't doing it the whole time here how would we don't even Cleveland. I have no idea where to draw the line natural makes these things very."

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