PFW in Progress - 10/9/2007

Tue, 9 Oct 2007

Listen to this edition of PFW in Progress as we recap the Patriots 34-17 win over the Cleveland Browns at Gillette Stadium. Plus, we move ahead to preview the Patriots sunday matchup against the Dallas Cowboys. Take a break with Fred, Paul, Andy, Tom and newcomer Erik Scalavino as they give you the latest scoop from Gillette Stadium and answer your questions. Listen LIVE Tuesday - Friday at noon (ET) and email your comments to webradio@patriots.com.

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Play from 18:25[18:25] ..." about Joe Thomas the Mike re able accusations coming out of Cleveland Eric Steinbach that Mike were able -- over Joe thomas' -- on the spike Lee in the game you fans may have seen them"...

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Play from 1:44[1:44]" Okay now because now a year PFW progress -- it -- all alone in the -- lots of talk about a big night last night big night in the Ali household the Yankees go down without always come back and win. Just an amazing amazing night will be here for two hours web radio patriots that. Fives nearly five or 37 or 8:2 in I -- not right in the box for the emails. On -- radio. Should do it but I gotta tell if -- cowboys last night beat the only team in the NFL -- capable losing that game. Yeah that was an amazing ending els played absolutely terrible. They came it and did what everybody said that the they would be. It would be ready for the bills they crap they've played terrible there I mean. That weak but it just that's that's that's why -- felt like no matter what no matter how bad Dallas played it wouldn't be trapped because they would they would still win because -- that's how how bad I think buffalo is. You can't do anything more to lose again and ousted last night. Impossible now in I mean any time you turn the ball over six times supposed to win that game but they they squeaked it out. They remain undefeated in setting up that was the big thing for me I just wanted to win so we -- have on this week you know even if they get killed by the patriots. We -- have a good week to one defeated teams that big game in the NFL comin' up. So we'll see you know the patriots on top of the ball in the cowboys think there there -- up -- I don't believe that the coaching it that's Berkshire patriots a little you know. Played well little sloppy -- this week I've got to get my hat's off to Cleveland that while they played pretty good. You know the defense played well they fall it's you know that looks to be -- Paula if team that it's got some pieces. -- is in my opinion. They gotta make the switches he wins the guy because I think if they get a quarterback they might be tolerate."

Play from 3:46[3:46]" Yeah now I look at a couple of different ways number one I agree with everything you just said. I thought I was I came away very impressed with Cleveland I thought they had planned. At that their coaching it was not an enormous -- coaching that we've seen the first couple weeks. About Romeo Cornell matched wits with bill -- checked in and Belichick once simply because he had the better players. Not that back Belichick coached a bad game I thought you know that there was nothing wrong with the game and I just -- the Cornell. Actually game plan against the patriots which is a novelty so far in and the 2007 season. -- I'd I'm not sure we talked about this a little bit at the game three of us. If Brady Quinn is the guy. Okay and I'm not saying that you know they haven't decided on that yet I'm saying whether or not you know three years down the road we'll look at this -- Brady Quinn complained he's good quarterback. I think that potentially could be a very good football team I think they have some young players -- top to bottom a lot last weekend thinking and he was right. A lot of the guys that -- mentioned in this preview showed up on the field Braylon Edwards I thought was one of the more impressive receivers we've seen you know I played well. I thought it was a dynamic guy and I got a -- Despite all the mistakes. I don't think Derek Anderson was that bad I think you looks like a good solid backup in the gently I agree I think because a lot of back -- I don't think can throw the ball that well I think he can throw well I think you just make some mistakes and as a back up. You know that's a bat that's why he's a back up if it you know. He's prone to mistakes I was impressed with Cleveland at the same time. You can say all these are all these accolades he can give to the browns missed the pages of on a way to win the game by 17 points which it is a testament to just how good they really out."

Play from 5:26[5:26]" End proves how hard gambling is because if you look at the browns in the 60s and a half he might not be alive right now who you know the Bobble head to locate that Natalie picked that up -- records of for a touchdown. Tough tough -- cover for the browns backers but yeah I mean we we seven -- half -- Paul. It was 20 -- that at least that this is pride most heated what -- the game in the history the other Colorado not only that I thought it was the most evenly played half the patriots have been involved -- so far this year. Yeah -- why not I would agree with that they had asked what they have a 177 lead over buffalo. But I thought that game was was more once cited in this two point enough in game once in a team that doesn't have. You know we might as have a helluva Cincinnati horse -- Diego -- just goes to show coach you can do with -- you know on the right Asian it'll be interesting to see that team would forward with the patriots they come out ahead. There's five in all there Rolen closes games 17 points when he things. But he think this week and the cowboys are not rolling -- they had a tough game you know I compare this game to win this game coming up. George -- Mohammed Ali. See Ali he was in some battles it was a fight he knew how to edu Ottawa -- close flights for but he just everybody else maybe. But what the article up against Ollie it was close heated up the manhood stand up with a lot of the patriots of the man -- a close game. I just spectators going to -- and -- life is this what you're paying your hopes on. Now I thought that analogy lastly I felt pretty proud of myself you know I was extremely depressed last night because I want -- both teams to be undefeated for the height that everything go to Dallas and I'm glad they are the secondary wise I I just think the patriots at a spread amount I think that an abuse Roy Williams Jacques Reeves. And I just think it'd it would only Lotta offensively is obviously the -- that them played better they do last night will relate or stories at the end of the first quarter. What's that the front seven for Dallas which -- swarming. For what I watched like after the game. Every time there was a ball carrier there were 345 cowboy in him up on. That's that front seven has some speed as the -- to the you know who's a really good as -- that I he has all over the place and the -- of it didn't play well against the giants. But since that game they played well it's that. They got a mask the weaknesses in the back for because if the patriots Brady and get to them. It's advantage patriots if the cowboys -- pressure on Brady they can stay in the game. But that's going to be the key I mean I like other movement where all over the place and everything it just. That's going to be the key up -- that game that it a lot of you'll have to do."

Play from 8:16[8:16]" Turnovers too because if if like you said Tom if the if the cowboys can get there get some pressure dipped they're likely to cause some mistakes and they can get some -- I don't see Dallas causing a whole lot of punts. In this game no you know certainly it was atypical of the patriots -- to go out and he can purchase to a 12 on third down against Cleveland. It would -- Chris Hansen six times in that game more than he had had a been worked for the entire first four games combined so I think that the cowboys would not cause internal slowed on the patriots."

Play from 8:48[8:48]" Yassin something that we have an email. We should probably get to a Josh from Arlington that. -- out of last night was an amazing amazing night I would also like hardly disagree with -- over on the -- Randy moss debate Diaw dropped to but he ball ball clean athlete or like he just doesn't care. At critical points in the game it looks like he'd rather. Drop -- short pass and taking him from -- for a short game and rather have -- who that we talked about him yeah I'm off he'll. Last night it for me -- I'm sorry if you can't make catches at that time -- the game to me that's I know he has drops in the past but. A lot of -- the second quarter that doesn't excuse them but. I always thought the game was on the line he made plays but last night first of all he has to make that -- Indians if you're TL. You have to have make that catch in the end -- you played if you guys played a terrible game. You have a chance to tie and he doesn't make it boss makes that catch trade me -- me so you're off 100%. Yeah if you could grind for 210 against the patriots this week Billy you know -- because they'll have a big game because he's a veto and I'm saying your staying off I don't -- yes and I are over 200 yard though he. I'm off but he's better than moss because moss is impetus -- so much more better that you can't even added I would argue this on the TV showed that I its rules or watching disregard the shelling out we have to do that. And I still think he -- a great player like his size and everything but if you can't hang onto the football but with 20 seconds left. That's his that's his pass -- Nazis go across the middle you make the catch he set up in field goal range. I was extremely disappointed that we wrote -- just having to change sides whole thought process but I think that one out but all that when I'm wrong on board and it's not a better hands he's on board even when he catches that he doesn't AB catches it six times -- He grabs he can't drop that many passes I'm sorry that's just a inexcusable. But yes so Josh I'm I'm off he'll I'm on -- Jason what is best tight end in the NFL. That's coming out of and by the -- him when I know how he recovered from a broken skull used a she H. The guys you ball yet he is complex and after one play he edges veins pop but now -- Ridiculous to let him do you know played well but he's been he's been fine but he's another one of those guys who. He's better in that capacity you know alliance. The patriots metabolic make him at Williams cover that's advantage patriots and it will they don't have a really coverage safety you know what I needed. That you take in at the Henry out of the -- and you bring it just that's going to be tough form at the patriots as though with space brought on the radio keep his three touchdown passes streak going Alia. I've the only way to cowboys are going to win this game like -- that is. Is to give pressure -- of turnovers but the going to have to score and witnesses called back yeah back goes. In addition to turn over the going to have a good game offensively it out to what they did. On last night the cowboys beat the colts last year with the colts would often on the field. COLT just kept her in the ball all that happens yet maybe don't have to score 30 points if they keep getting turnovers by the reds know what you really want to hang your Adam -- What's the over. I didn't look at idol look out but it's five in the papers this morning it's off because of the Monday night game and they don't update I actually just looked at a point in doubters look at the total. I imagine it would be 5253. In the patriot -- like that on the road 8 Purdue -- I don't think -- low scoring series though for the crew to local by the ankles. Very low scoring series though the last two games the last three years that was set 12 nothing. 13 six and in two while cynics as the most cowboys have not scored a touchdown against the patriots of 1987. What Herschel walker broke that brought an overtime. So that's a long want to accomplish solid it was jumping up and now you know. It was a good game time -- started quarterback for the patriots validated all the help it somehow gotten over it what else is going on. Anything big I -- a little late. Vinny Testaverde has been talking to other teams including the panthers and the cardinals cardinals cardinals -- sought guidance and it's interesting. Well you know. Let's be honest on either of those teams he has an end up with the the -- that is here which literate. Yeah not that's true but he does get the opportunity perhaps play that he has again. I'm not sure that's an opportunity he's looking for well I hope. Better way -- what's the old saying better they think you're an idiot than to open your mouth improve your bike your use of that there might senior -- Pennsylvania wants so do you think the patriots will react this potential move by the cardinals. Or because all the quarterback situation in the NFL I hate to see anything happen Brady was seeing how many quarterbacks -- going down. You see the patriots adding some insurance meaningless as the earlier you have three. Add it up let wanted to quarterbacks go presumably and no I don't they're gonna -- it -- just so that he can't sign them they went within three. They got a."

Play from 13:58[13:58]" That I've -- and we can talk about it for notes when he merits I don't think it's really needs to be delved into any deeper than that and Indians in poverty -- the fourth on the practice squatter. -- David green. So no I certainly building anything in these other teams do the test very you have any bearing on. His future here in New England with -- to a quarterback position. Serie a India any changing that at all on the colts I mean they played well this week they show they had some depth. You know Tampa Bay pretty good NFC team another it's special but maybe they really label but Donovan did -- change of thought not really all -- I still I want to see them tested by good offenses -- them I don't think that's. Very good profits them."

Play from 14:41[14:41]" And not only -- and I agreed with Andy about Tampa Bay you know not necessarily sold by back to right but yet that. But but the that they that -- mean it was that the colts just got by without all those players. It would dominant I mean -- I think to advance of like hundred yards total offense until they scored a meaningless touchdown to make it 33 to 14 and the game colts have some issues certainly -- I think that right now they're clearly clearly number two. I'm in terms of you know the resolutely behind the patriots and I don't think it's anywhere near the gap between one and -- Andy does I think that the colts. -- good team and I think that they. You know when healthy and can certainly lineup with the patriots now whether or not they're healthy when accounts that the end of the year. It is impossible to predict. Long way to -- long season and even though even value and I have already dismissed three season put Pena to 16 -- You block it out with a practical purposes you really can't do have been down this road before. Both directions Donte' Stallworth with a big game Ben Watson with a big game. Also big from loss. It or Welker did complain about is -- left than on the sidelines kind of what we talked about sooner or later you're gonna get the you know other options involved you know. They have guys you know Kevin -- is going to have a big game probably at some point where he catches six or seven screen passes has a productive games Stallworth I thought still going to had a bigger game that in a big drop in right crossing -- that could have been in place though. I still think you're seeing why he's not. Top level elite -- resource that talented next step down guy. That's funny is we were talking about one of these weeks that the big that you know the big camp for Stallworth will probably be. You know four catches for you know we've probably about a little bit more yardage by. It's funny that that was his big game was was four catches for 65 yards and a touchdown and his agent and kind of funny. I just don't think he's a guy that's going to rack up made nine catches in -- rent is it on his best game I don't think. He catches the ball well enough to do that and acting program in the old days you want to be and I cachaca brutal 19 or 20 well now -- that little that you today it was always does six catches it it was 12. Because he double caught like every one but."

Play from 17:04[17:04]" shows you know all these people that are paid very well and their main focus in life is catching the football. Not a lot of them are all that good at -- in terms of looking at them as a lead athlete or like on Belichick says and we always laugh about it because sound so. Blatantly obvious from you know I like my receivers to him to get opening catch the ball all right thanks there's a lot of guys who -- some of the guys that are receivers to really don't catch the ball that well now Braylon Edwards. You know even as he got open -- any to catch the ball so you see some of the guys that have truly good hands and then not so good hands and -- I don't know the thing was a lot it was quiet and and -- Necessarily monitor because you're not watching that. Of the line play by. Did not see or hear Jarvis is -- Jarvis green's name very often and that tells me that Joe Thomas probably do pretty good job yeah. Good good match up for colonel Thomas third overall pick right there with the athletic -- going against a semi athletic Jarvis Green in. You know not necessarily a stud player that's that's a match up that if Joe Thomas is going to be what they say he's going to be. He should win that kind of battle. Rodney start this week probably. But he came -- just in learned his lesson by missed in the first three but he plays Lastings. -- at that penalty a little earlier in the right now and maybe you won't be and tackle at it on the first drive get the way it's order later the game we should talk about the we. Talk about Joe Thomas the Mike re able accusations coming out of Cleveland Eric Steinbach that Mike were able -- over Joe thomas' -- on the spike Lee in the game you fans may have seen them but little kind of pushing and shoving that ensued after that. They claimed was a cheap shot I haven't seen a good replay of it and I actually talking -- Paul. When we saw that the game I thought it was cold that was involved in the play but it was Coleman who had gone beyond. You know it's it's tough to say -- you don't you don't try on those plays they just let you I don't and -- for the most part you don't and and that's kind of assumes and that's. You know we thought it was cold and maybe it wasn't maybe it was agreeable that certainly would -- the browns are upset with but they certainly was I I definitely think that's it. Those plays. At -- especially when -- game is not even compare I mean that the private 17 point game but a spike play."

Play from 19:19[19:19]" There's no need to be I -- you can you can go hard I mean if you think they might take the spikes you wanted to have a pass rush you take out our I have to a first step. But to diabetic guys' legs that's me is intentionally trying to be champions. -- that that's what anybody looked for the first season last couple years it's been accused of those that they now and you know nationally we should probably talk about. The play in Houston with with Trent green which I thought was. The very dirty play an apartment quarterback and knows some -- out how and the quarterback be guilty of dirty play well. -- blind side why inciting a player. Below waste like that I think it qualifies as a dirty player and and and some Mike Pereira -- India there and tell me -- that's illegal it has got that helmet in front or whatever. I came by and I say more but this -- that that play ends up with a guy getting hit yet. On a stretcher going off and on the surge surgery tables them now all that said I don't condone what the the name escapes me Johnson Travis Travis Johnson I don't condone his reactions after that. You know it -- line you know prone on the field and obviously but I beautifully -- I also -- because with the emotion of the game and now he's he's seeing his career flat -- the only thing I try to enter me I I totally new -- you Indy. The only connect it's As maybe get stops a little bit faster than it did want you can at some point he's screaming about the guy he realizes that I anymore right. You know now at some point you say. Stop for a well but he certainly didn't -- I understand every adult woman to call on the world's worst personal whatever they do that department cattle and -- are all making fun of Travis Johnson and making. He he took a cheap shot. He didn't end up as the one on the stretcher but he took a cheap and that was a bad cheap -- that's one of those els I don't Trent green's excuse was he outweighed -- by a hundred pounds -- stupid to. They don't block them don't play football he's going to be on the field bigger guys in that situation. You know at -- out on the repeated -- to just get away. -- wide receiver Randy moss stock bought it said he could pushed it just the guy I did you get the arms extended and knock off balance that's politics so. All the greens defense he he would need to. You know probably not the Dow was -- the ball leaves the supposedly and I felt some reason. Calm but -- just let it for a green whose careers to success -- on the football field labor -- that comeback player of the year -- project pick is that there's a great ride right about a topic satellite and his drink green is stuck in for his career and he's done that this Adam obstinacy and guys like that is. If the dolphins. Do some you know just putting young quarter reduce something happened it trying to. If they hit the head and because mean until last year going into last year. While he wasn't considered to be one of the best five or six quarterbacks in football he was number -- more than serviceable pass. He you know put up big numbers in Kansas City at times what happened to -- question he was absolutely inept it was one of the worst performances I've seen in the playoffs by -- quarterback ever his performance in Indy. And then this year they've been awful I think -- injury start nate undated -- not the same player ever -- That's true tolerable supposed to be the the Tom Brady the NFC -- that ballpark that's last night with a two passes in -- Not a bad Wendell that's true well he did an outstanding job of checking down to secondary receivers that lashed it right -- and I -- by. You -- criticize quarterback you know when when he turns the ball over six times it got to criticized the quarterback at least and some bad throws the first or just the -- yet row I didn't see on the site you know Tony got excited he almost any game. It's was what started out -- he couldn't throw football it was."

Play from 23:08[23:08]" It was like sailing part of that was -- it was a you have to got yelled -- when he doesn't compare to cooperate at all -- computers it was -- far -- well -- have I don't know James -- complained about the crown in buffalo mean obviously -- that -- kinda throws -- like -- for people he has he would have to -- I obviously were on the -- I just thought I'd just like looks up -- like -- like you know what I -- that. You think like it's going somewhere that it goes right it would defender right he that's the kind of quarterback he has you -- after one of those that won -- Rolen right yeah I'd -- back that was that was he's terrible if you want to live with -- yet to -- the same lead -- far he's going to run around he's going to throw some bad passes because -- Parcells that -- not. But it around like Africa how he put it but. But my response to Parcells does is he's not your kind of quarterback but he's not -- you've got to live with that 'cause he makes plays and that's just the way the season. And he'll certainly trade a month of good football for a."

Play from 24:02[24:02]" Crappy European nights it's the same thing with Brett -- you know. From its like -- like a 41 ratio good games can add one -- you take front -- because -- born and you know 94 reached 95 who you know like 2002002 -- He certainly had more games where he ran around -- made plays as a way it was a mistake. You know the last couple it's been more running around doing things what you just described Andy when he's on the ball back trust bodies making a bad mistake it's been more about the last couple years and that's not exactly what I hate that he does. I don't care if he tries to in the spot throat as hard as he can't trying to throw threw a guy that picks up out here. The little flickers that have no chances like three guy and he just tries to wicket gently. Your -- sparked -- RG enemy be it ends up with your beneath a bunch of picks and then watching in 92 renteria I didn't. I was brought it right and he was about go out of bounds and he had maybe the tight end dragging across and he just tried deflected. Back across his body and there was like just. Defensive lineman there -- it was just guys everywhere got picked off. No way I I I don't when I got home like like I clicked on for a second term commercial of the baseball -- when he hits and winning. And and I never went back to the game match up the next morning lost seven points like to know what happened -- the second half."

Play from 25:23[25:23]" And -- certainly a statement -- for a far but he -- are from that he does play like yet that Tom Brady plays with his head in his intelligence that. That's not Robles I really don't see any compares Tom Brady when we also don't know. Tony Romo would be -- but right by the way -- on the way the way organizations -- Number -- more when he came in for the Carolina Panthers the -- of the cowboys like it. So war was talking about panthers quarterback situation these video don't count now -- more Dallas really liked him and thought he could be the next like Tony -- a couple years that he needed some you know seasoning. Soul they released him opening assign him to the practice squad but in the panthers claimed off waivers. Now why would you do that the quarterback that you like -- you have brad Johnson's probably their for a year here's a -- like don't you think the patriots. They had the Gutierrez that they like they did take that chance they just kept them on and I think that's just good business -- If the quarterback position everybody in the league knows who these people art in the look at for guys him. If they have a third guy now they only have it's inexcusable. Yet so I just thought that was funny when I heard that because we were thinking that they would keep Gutierrez right obviously they'd really like they would want to take the chance but. That's what happens when you have someone on the team -- football in a guy who made his money. Memorial as Jerry Jones of us -- I think Gary's here with you -- that. Gary -- speak of food worry guys that it's added more food upstart it. The Sox fan and they were here every day was flailing away for you we're doing the -- what -- all or open for an everyday but Wednesday. Yes that's really stay on Thursday Friday were always -- I have had a sub forever and really I don't there it eluded us one doubles they are adults and people worth from the word that it if he's got -- from Springfield he said can anyone who is the wise with the so called journalists -- that would be all. Please tell me what. Coach of the NFL doesn't try to win every game is winning the game the whole point. Though the patriots did make it if you -- I highly doubt that they'll -- would say okay we can lose this one. I don't think any of the patriots they'll go here that we moved that. One just not just not the way they play the game the true I mean we know it does happen because a couple of --"

Play from 27:50[27:50]" It's very simple as it in the best interest of the football team president Bill Belichick will do that's where he says he operates that way in. Normal convince me that they didn't lose the game against Miami and that season finale on purpose two years ago 'cause it was in the best interest in his mind. Of the football team that knows that again. No