PFW in Progress - 12/19/2007

Wed, 19 Dec 2007

Listen to this edition of PFW in Progress as we discuss which Patriots made the Pro Bowl roster. Plus, we'll break down this Sunday's matchup against the 1-14 Miami Dolphins. Take a break with Fred, Paul, Andy, Tom and newcomer Erik Scalavino as they give you the latest scoop from Gillette Stadium and answer your questions. Listen LIVE Tuesday - Friday at noon (ET) and email your comments to webradio@patriots.com.

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Play from 5:37[5:37] ..." know that blow hard got rook is on the radio talk about Wes Welker grew out of the probable. You T. J. Houshmandzadeh Braylon Edwards Reggie Wayne Randy Moss you're okay with no problem okay thank"...

Play from 10:37[10:37] ..." patron -- but overall I don't know I mean I heard about Marques Colston should be. But he's gone there's always going to be a couple of guys that are what Bob is that he into"...

Play from 18:25[18:25] ..." And of Bill Belichick press conference today talking about. What Miami Dolphins what's he going to do with the team the next two games and one"...

Play from 30:12[30:12] ..." finally gone -- them. And Eddie Jackson is gone they brought on Rashad Moore -- was -- camp. -- open -- Open roster spot which aspect it might be another tight end and you know although"...

Play from 1:04:29[1:04:29] ..." do and the feeling is probably mutual patriots tedious the end including Bill Belichick. "...

Play from 1:09:00[1:09:00] ..." true. But you can't tell me it's not better teams also fear Wes Welker and Donte' Stallworth at crunch time if they can really truly just say. When he gets to crunch time he's going to"...

Play from 1:27:28[1:27:28] ..." what I cringe. Five the like today I was told these guys Wes Welker starts to talk onto is -- on the pro ball for the paper red light runner over to get there. And I"...

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Play from 1:29[1:29]" Out of Vietnam -- the VFW progress. Are there. It's Wednesday Gillette stadium with media day. We probe -- all over the medium ball one guy isn't why who. It was welcome Welker they'll be okay. You know he'll -- Upton in Hawaii the Willie McGinest way but that doesn't face them off. They'll let -- that way no way home -- Got a lot of talk about today the Miami Dolphins coming in. -- represented by the levity to team I think going to -- all of them with them again I'd do not know for an out -- that and we've yet again. They were at the game last week. Get a bus and all those guys that bus and they can drive up in the sideline. You know they got there are right so allow it to celebrate. So we're going to be talking about I game coming -- going to be talking about patriots pro bowler who's going who's not going and of course resolutely as a report out now it. Patriot head coach Bill Parcells may be joining the Atlanta Falcons executive Vice President -- Don't think he should take it but I do well well these -- mean they're just finalized and I quoted as long as we iron out a couple little minor things it's done I think it's bad move for him as a coach yeah. And he's continuing with that right he acknowledged GM he's not the coach he's going to be the Vice President of the ball up. The at ending I broke these guys appearances. And there's any chance that Scott pioli could be on his list of GM candidates don't like because I would have to come in in have. -- say overall personal decisions who's in order wouldn't it well I don't know coach. Anyway I don't hire a G am I right out of college to have Bill Parcells I think part I have -- AM. Have a head coach called the shots that I think Parcells the figure there. I don't know why do it because he can make money I don't but I think there's a mix of Dallas don't needed money and after doing the failed project that's going to be his name and -- you know -- at -- with the falcons they need -- right after everything that's happened they need Bill Parcells weather -- each get caught out of there and went in built don't take. I don't know it. Butler wrote anything he clearly -- want money he's not -- it is a pretty. No movement I'm guessing he's getting more for this. I don't think he's in May and may be able to do last year and make some show up once or twice -- White Sox out of there I I agree with you but I would rather be and a guy that. Has lighten in admired Parcells career I would rather him not take. Because I just you know a feat he accomplished on in the game men and that -- put that. But that -- but if you are putting it -- but if he wants that job. The team goes yeah your right for the al teams are are hopeless in the league you know like Cleveland and I can't say -- I don't I don't get picked in the top five glad I'm not at this doesn't have anything at all to do with the lamp. But it -- any I don't care about that the caliber team Elkins -- at his age would have a chance a lot what does it matter. Oh we wanted to go to theory like -- You know. I think he should and should become the New England. I think he should care of the felt the Super Bowl that's going to even take his -- right level right. You know he obviously want to be in the game out kick it out of the game Marlins no lose situation if if they don't get good. Well he was just like over -- it wasn't really involved. If they get good ones built another French right and that's what it GM has taken a consideration to you can't win there he's going to take all popular doesn't get any credit here but that's why don't -- do. -- away. Anyway let's talk about the patron of that where Brady -- it is -- do you think. Because I know that blow hard got rook is on the radio talk about Wes Welker grew out of the probable. You T. J. Houshmandzadeh Braylon Edwards Reggie Wayne Randy Moss you're okay with no problem okay thank you know pro I -- you know you going to be surprised by this ID you can make excitement while -- I I would. Make an argument for somebody else probably over both of them because I'm not a huge fan of the possession receiver yet that's the thing I think you know. We're going to -- skated -- I -- on -- got a call we interrupted -- S but they don't let one of the things about. I would I was surprised when you -- for him voting came out there was so many patriots that we're leading positions. But then after the coaches and players you know that -- voting it pretty much stayed the same way though. I mean that that's a good thing and it's it's it's -- patriots fans that are. You know really paranoid about you know -- we are. They might hated but they must respect the oral may have would be getting all the -- Fourteen you know it's hard to that they're not good anywhere but it's not like they were and a couple of years ago and -- you know fourteen and two seasons especially 3 that was on geez how these guys -- it and many guys they were injured don't forget a lot of guys that would global candidate but those teams. What injured for a large chunks of those seasons. Therefore you know I felt like Ty Law couldn't go to the pro bowl tunnel for. For example but it was went this year in this along but he didn't miss the whole year -- But he missed a good chance Ty Law missed the last ten games of the year -- anyway that yet but I I think that. You know I I were back the fact that who's -- articles over Welker I think that if you're if you're player or coach to vote you look at at wide receivers. Can't say that right now Welker is a better wide with the with the teacher who's you know I just well that's tough it will go on -- And if you just on who was a better one you know you think Lee Evans is a veteran wide receiver than both of them not this year."

Play from 7:47[7:47]" Okay that is before and I think what I'd been watching the guys -- you don't think he's about a player you don't think he played the constant opera Tom replied. This year he hasn't been as good and you just said he's not as good players you think -- sort of has got to -- numbers that and terrible Evans isn't in the conversation a little while I disagree. You think Lee Evans in the global and it I don't know I think had a -- yeah. Lee Evans and a better you -- who'll. I don't like guys to catch a hundred ball ten yards just make no -- not well that's fine you don't have to agree with -- I'm not he would ring and want everybody to agree -- I I don't like guys -- ten -- weekly Kevin should be in the -- no I'm just saying he's a better yet he's got a better player but but maybe if I don't -- but this year a -- a lot of it was -- there's a lot of better players that Wes -- They haven't done that's fine look I don't if he's in the pro -- and argued to have that one yet. Which is not a better player than -- If we're going by about it because a lot of guys and their players are well let me rephrase. But the play it which has 27 fewer touches and last why -- pretty much spent a year in is a much better player that's my point he had a better year. In a couple of errors by the numbers but he that's all. Sorry I didn't mean haven't I love the thumb a player or coach and -- look at at who are that this year. I have to say that Houshmandzadeh is the better receivers with -- to be there. It is a better receiver this year than Jack Johnson who while no -- not a yes okay. -- that's fine I disagree at all. But based on what based on acting Chad Johnson's a better player. That's all this year this year I think that he requires the attention of the other team. He catches big -- is big place he makes he art they don't just pulled a ball parallel lines going to it might it not okay that's all BQ what is numbers India the stats right now who. Chad Johnson. 85126514 point that -- is better than a hundred for 1000. -- it and I mean you can't argue that's -- is a -- like you can make an argument that was -- just to make an argument the F. A fine player not trying to. Dog all of -- not that that's what this target I just that their other guys that a pattern that's. But in my opinion Edwards was the third receiver so the irony Edwards at a little yet. I think he's got an argument but Braylon Edwards should be in the problem I don't the third guy there's no argument against -- and yet now I don't usually watch he's got thirteen touchdowns. Braylon Edwards I think he is he might be one you know and -- Well I think overall do you think that the world lot of cubs and patron -- but overall I don't know I mean I heard about Marques Colston should be. But he's gone there's always going to be a couple of guys that are what Bob is that he into one's -- always going to be that way added ten more spot there have been eleven guys. It's always going to be like that but I think for the most part to meet the one that's surprising most for the patriots as the three off until I'm. Team that doesn't run the ball -- three offensive line is through it brought me because -- winning during the fan vote right those three guys. I thought they were they were in my Matt light light was leading the other one they were in the top two or 31 lead what are the other coaches and players. Looking at that we're not. What he means well or -- after the coaches -- ever been that right the protection of radio say it's a big one of the things that banquet would but I just don't look at him his pro bowlers in my mind I think repeal it today is really. After that product of the team's success and that's what happens hasn't been act they've thrown the ball for an other worldly. Totals audio on him production has been out of this world and I say we gotta get as many guys on offense and that offense and in you know and -- and understanding. Yet teams. Marion Barber the guy you know I love myriad Barbara I was shocked that he made the pro bowl. If you look him taken him and even Jackson met no content right yet meet Stephen Jackson is much better player. But here's the rams who want to a couple games in the cowboys I soul I think the team's success is big. I just look at light and now I have to say a two time pro bowl left tackle which most vehemently position. I just don't look at it that way but you know you look at the sacks already I think I acted with the enough where he -- passes that get a look at and he yet he hasn't been that -- is you know the taylors and -- you know match up every week. I just in my mind I don't say he's a two time probable that. -- open. I think open is in the mix as one of the better -- in the game and -- people that kind of talk that pluses and negatives I think is one writing I know you guys make fun because I like him but. I think he's able to want to just talk about yet the team I can't sell I think light is the third of those three I was a little surprised -- were able make it. I don't get that wild -- surprised -- he had pitcher tremendous I just thought and I think for the patriots he has but I think that. In our him with the linebackers but he got the numbers nine and a half I -- value added has again -- you know three strip sacks forced fumbles. And he has the numbers particularly games three hasn't had a snack like against it's right he was in the backfield every -- I -- I strong kind of holding Cano to us and that we -- and a defensive player of the year about over able and I mean he's a Nashville I guess I'd love for computers and you know the other. Linebacker from other teams to get a whereas the coaches and players don't hold Tedy Bruschi and I -- right -- he of the Cambodian and even make it let's let's that's a good observation and that's a good -- by the players and coaches. They aren't what they -- I thought I had yesterday I thought might work had been done Roy Williams did not make the pro bowl. Then someone pointed out that Sean Taylor can't go to our. Though Williams might take his spot I think there -- sharper or some other guys probably -- Williams -- a hearing today I think he got turned down or was that. He was not successful with his appeal I think that's correct that there. Oh I was gonna open market -- he walked -- with a representation I've got my he'd be ready and I keep -- that plays it would you appeal. A stupid rule. Well yeah okay but you know the rules the role."

Play from 14:15[14:15]" And right now I don't John Elway. Diet Dillon. John I think John --"

Play from 14:26[14:26]" John. I think maybe -- is trying to do and Tom probably know more about that I would but I think he's probably trying to -- he can play this week in and of the suspension after they clinched the number one seed because it had a win this week and Patrick Watkins the backup is hurt -- for the going to be down the third safety. How could the championship go through green and add him to go through Green Bay who they -- like a Carolina and he Carolina. How -- very green -- played Chicago. In Green Bay is lost if or earlier in the year so that'll -- should chance. And I don't think Dallas should boosted Carolina you never know not a seventeen people are. If they lose that when Tom your teams in trouble wouldn't trouble them played well. But if they lose that you'll look at it that's the -- all those watching how many close games at Detroit played last month one. It was Dallas though played well and acrylic paint yes they lose that game and Theo doesn't have a big game yet that they Bob home. Our rights are pretty disappointed about the pro bully boy Welker now -- right look at it realistically -- like John. I'm not. Any other disappointments he but I think you could make an argument it was like I was -- Indian Paul Brady gain for the cowboys I think is a -- at a probable season. But we take now Urlacher to to -- when Patrick Willis of the rookie -- from. Bozeman all had great seasons a while I think it would be okay if you voted James that I can't complain that he out there right you can only complaint that operas now in the -- and -- Warren. Now I think I think Maroney should've gone based on last week well it's teammate who was a fourth round draft pick who does even start me. I'd be their Maroney doesn't start all the time. But I I think I think it was a pretty clear cut pro bowl selection this year I think they did a pretty good -- he many cubs I don't holes that is the one that a lot of people are talking about like he really I literally looked into the bill James Harrison from the Steelers -- that he has had that -- there yet except every area the patriots for the patriots. I mean he was I was joking he was of defensive player of the year candidate until I silently and patriots have not -- up on ones and I mean the guy's got great numbers rate numbers are okay. A LT makes it as starting running back eat any time he has any kind of season he deserves to -- Is that that he had a good he had a slow start but he had a good there hasn't -- a lot of great running back seat -- doesn't like sort of a down year right I mean barber doesn't even star right -- he's certainly the pro am -- crisis but numbers are down across the board for Russian tactic that's a product of the game via. For the game as the product of -- is none of running backs. I think it is getting away I think there's good running that I just don't think he probable war is this the first time Tom -- as the starting quarterback. The picket I don't know about that -- so he got to figure innings and maybe right for a hole on them with -- I'm pretty sure. Well deserved which -- Well yeah that you don't usually doesn't I don't I can't imagine him more -- being anywhere near wise especially I mean work. Particularly -- the right. Dole and he's dedicated and -- that would be Pittsburgh you know start to execute maybe they all talk about it many of them that the algo. You know I could he Welker going in replacement from -- that would be -- funny because he's really writing mosque is coattails everything he does. Are good called Jody Gerut mustache oh good good victory that sent him an email about that. And I talked he was mildly disappointed about the Moscow about the pro bowl that. He said the right things about it -- a team and everything book. And he should be without federal locker may mean this is a great year for him eat can't just assume he's going to have 97 catches and every year. Mean especially Moxley's our."

Play from 18:25[18:25]" And of Bill Belichick press conference today talking about. What Miami Dolphins what's he going to do with the team the next two games and one of his aunt is. You know about you know how do you tell one guy he's getting and another guy he's you know how do you get brought it to -- do you pick out one guy -- those -- my president -- Tom Brady typos in my personal favorites when he is a question it was -- right you know when asked if if one guy I was going to sit out there were asked to -- arrest. Right Dodgers right. And you know that it's a good chance -- right -- people -- of course he'll get treated -- but we -- know that they -- behind -- that our -- didn't discriminate but I don't know we could -- that on the united want to bring it -- could spread that -- talk about it -- fly home on the plane and it doesn't care what everyone -- goes well beyond that we -- talk about -- doesn't -- every -- that -- You know that you know read our back. Right -- Guys like bill rough that's right differently then you know Jimmy Johnson averaged well on the run the same things I'm not going to treat Michael -- like the 53 place on the roster right should be. You know though. I would rather him to say look you know will will the arrival we get there you know not that I don't."

Play from 19:45[19:45]" I think even the most naive fan doesn't think Tom Brady -- hand to Willie Andrews are treated him. They're not."

Play from 19:53[19:53]" Having said that. You all pretty sure that the going to go full bore give these last -- yeah yeah I think if there's any rest and only Tom's win. The game is in hand maybe a little bit earlier than it had been earlier India. You know instead of you know getting that last touchdown in the fourth quarter. You know maybe Cassell goes in in place -- more than media and yet but I think that they don't definitely full board for the wind. Okay in if they games like like last Sunday they go sixty minutes -- he's played. They played close to sixty minutes last year at the plate -- we were so are totally I think that was a little different too because that became a -- obviously he -- that was a -- the -- game -- more. To err on the side of caution that -- it the other -- is in contest as they exactly some good bill up about the dolphins one of my favorite quote was they've just come up short a couple times one and thirteen dolphins team. -- come up short a couple times he also said they hope what was the quote that he. Hope to do something better than in the first timer around number and in Europe the running evident that outside saint running yeah -- running game. It was good stuff those classic but he was my all smiles -- this will be eighty -- holidays here is an amazing how -- he's been virtually all he ever since that the camera thing India in week two leading it to San Diego. He has been amazingly chipper all year long and I turned it Thomas that if he had press conferences today. Throughout his career. With the miles same quote he's using the same but with the mile on the delivery people would have a different image of him. I think he seems different. I don't think people would hate him as much. I --"

Play from 21:42[21:42]" Anybody for Brady or any of the a pro bowl guys that came out I didn't hear Brady but I heard Wilfork and he got into a lot of it is. His diet offseason stuff in you know he admitted that he had some trepidation as to whether or not it would. Leave them in it would hurt his actual play on the field -- wasn't able to him locked away in other doubles that he gets all the time and as a nose tackle in. He's just a very entertaining guy the way he talks about. -- they -- they Adam. You know someone ask you know with all the way he's going to lose going to end up with a six pack you know -- that diet book was abs of -- on Japanese -- And -- ever -- expect since I was skinny and that was back when I haven't paid pennies and I have more like that tag not a six. Now he he definitely come into his own when it comes interviews he is very uncomfortable and that he was -- that he was entertaining and also you could tell that it -- tone to a bench I think that was something that was on his mind and you know -- players obviously can play to win and -- team first but they have those things in mind -- outstanding wrong with that and it seems that he was one of those he's it's a lot he's he often brings his wife on the road during the seasons she's going to be thrilled or Hawaii yeah. They get to bring that out of him so. That's good it's good for Vince Wilfork. And I -- all the other guys that are going for the first -- Samuel I didn't hear I I just talked to him briefly about I didn't hear a press conference I talked to the price keeps going up for annual open and Matt light -- lockers you know. And -- you know very thankful for being included. I think it's cool for the offensive -- on the Indies at the top with the three guys going together. On -- pretty tight knit group to begin with. They're gonna get to go out there. Hang out for a week a lot of stuff -- I would guess I -- and -- don't out if he started out you know the plays that they're going to go to eat you know you know we no huddle offense linemen like to go eat together. And -- that I think we'll let our noses oh lead lesson and the proper direction."

Play from 23:52[23:52]" I don't have some fun. Can of the probable Mike writes in Florida they they welcome -- that's because of moss well you could say the same thing about TJ who's your mama with Chad Johnson. How did Barbara make it by the way Saturday will be snapping the ball to Brady in the probable should we worry about a soft play here or there in a free shot at Brady. -- well I would say the pro bowl."

Play from 24:16[24:16]" And -- I would do the teams yesterday in the running a bad coaching it who would you replace barber with. Steven Jackson has 700 yards he's been injured now I personally I I I can he Jackson go over barber idle mind net but. There really isn't anybody else that was don't want -- I mean port a Sox let's be honest yeah. He says he put time with a with a -- too so I don't colleges. If that just eligible kinda running with a guy doesn't start for his own team and all you begin. If -- the guy you want to take now that I guess you can -- Welker in but. Usually it's tough I think that he -- is that how all the label's -- what Welker there at my guys got this right. I think it's not as as -- more of an established name in that area I mean like Paul -- Chad Johnson's got an argument."

Play from 25:08[25:08]" And I would agree with that enrichment might benefit object. The only thing in that one that different from the patriots has been on his numbers are actually better you know where my numbers dwarf while. The other way around in his column and with the touched it yet 116 touchdowns there's no other running backs that. I'll look at -- is top couldn't believe it Marriott review I'll problem the only guys are likely he'd like earnest Graham has decent numbers."

Play from 25:37[25:37]" And that they would barber ideas and argument number one Rodney Harrison said he's one of the best backs in the league I think he has a lot of respect from players and coaches for it'll probably he runs the -- but he's a soft spoken guy he's one of those type of guys I just think people respect them and I think he got voted in by the players and coaches because there really wasn't sure fighter running back. Well you could put --"

Play from 25:57[25:57]" And I think you know getting back to the whole thing talk about earlier with you know two thirds come from the players and coaches. It's good that there really take it seriously that seem like a lot of guys needed in. Reputation noticed ray Lewis was the only idea -- OK good point with the only one but yet litigated and I mean people just. He's great little other than him I literally see anybody really that really gave some thought to that that's a good night I gotta let everyone know that last night we had a era PFW they pick on Tom -- hitter. In we went to a place called the three what did you guys think of the restaurant little -- but you -- offense out and I'm not -- ball yet but it is fantastic job picking the restaurant and getting a play that -- Pittsburgh I give them a B plus closer -- well what well okay they forgot -- and while they that was okay because we got it before the media didn't specify how we won it exploded -- that but. Excited about my mine valued at like your state 38 dollars I've had much better. Yeah our state was fine -- good but he which don't all the different bright red -- the credit they corporate media rarity came out more about medium to. Medium well I happy to finally looked up at the same exact complaint and you'd it was very it was very good but it was over yet. So bottom of the -- but I thought the atmosphere was good the appetizer appetizers agree takes a careless of me appetizers that -- and I just -- you did a good job of getting replaced as open and everybody Eric didn't go he's in the lead you that you widely -- to a because you love huge county no -- Bryant is -- house out now now now what we have -- plate again -- there I don't know I don't know it would probably as -- you know and the moment of the night came from Chris Ferreira. Who talked to a about duties with -- that finding out after the fact that is that is what in fact gay yes. And them noted that some of his clothes were in the name. I out of contention. After that there were when I example was I had a taste the raw meat of my top yeah I don't want to. Yes you did it -- yes it is. I didn't -- you want to leave it -- or somebody else that was where it was the moment of the night."

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