PFW in Progress - 2/7/2008

Thu, 7 Feb 2008

Listen to this edition of PFW in Progress as we recap the Patriots stunning Super Bowl XLII loss to the New York Giants. We'll go around the table and break down what went wrong. Take a break with Fred, Paul, Andy, Tom and newcomer Erik Scalavino as they give you the latest scoop from Gillette Stadium and answer your questions. Listen LIVE Tuesday's and Thursday's from 12-2 p.m. and email your comments to webradio@patriots.com.

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Play from 1:17[1:17]" You have dress well back from Arizona in my. Guys got that right. This is going to be like a wake or you'll ever. It's tough. Tough tough to no no black like the giants you know I think I prepared myself for a lot. Although that bulls almighty yeah I did this one I did not prepare myself I'm still let them. I was already this one I talked to Bob Doyle to our yet at every other one side. At first Lewis funded by. And every -- considerations now. Who should I mean we were at the end on and so on I thought there are going to win right up until the final play and those. I did I'm serious note what would finance without. Has been putting the field goal and they controlled is that BP that Aaliyah. Column right right before the two minute warning it was third down and Indies -- let's go down. -- and watch the rest the game doubt here because it's -- will be two more plays Clement out Godown wreck a week. Is -- law you know he he's built on I think what's Manning made that one play that's when you kind that they can only grow act Manny Adam. That was the game and -- the ball on Saturday and -- interception I -- and Brett had a lot of people avoiding mills plays when I would say. It -- quarters 73. If the patriots could have scored one touchdown -- in any event spit out the games over up because of that type they gave the giants would."

Play from 2:50[2:50]" And -- let's look at all the all the many losses to the patriot you know losses. Even the one during the regular season they all ended really where he'll only by stack. You know late in in Indianapolis they act any fumbled. And I think -- model all. And they Adam was 1 you were they designed a game they act them all crossed midfield -- really destroy that well you know desperation drive in the -- in this one. I don't know how he got away obviously did have a that even Mike -- had a quote today that was watching the play and I thought there was no way. With the weight on top of the back I was ready to call that."

Play from 3:32[3:32]" I am glad that it is I was about to say when we were watching them alive I was thinking. Where is the in the grass or blown the whistle when you know and looked like the play was going to be dead but if you watch him get on TV cable right -- after he was that's ridiculous and he also didn't look so I don't look like it a lot more -- call it red hot and -- yet -- a good point it was -- full. Innings yet or -- he wasn't he had been. Control grasping control and he was never controlled because he doubled that's -- he'd blow -- why Gary -- and which is talking about that player in particular I read and -- we rose doubles what we get involved way topic it was -- I thought -- was -- It was official that's an excellent job by the officials you know we begin on -- a -- they she'll book. They let the guys play if there wasn't any huge calls I mean idled -- over. But -- Las Vegas as I pointed out they they intercepted the pass after after they also did -- that. Right but I thought daily column and I'm really style games and I was like while as it did a good job on the call when when there was that fumble that was -- bowl lord you know the inkling out. Which might. And I added that Atlanta hospital -- legal bat and I accused him. I like it doesn't matter what it was trying to do with it I did it ended up going forward he can't do that. It didn't matter what you're trying to duke is -- knows he's trying to -- aren't exactly and you can call penalty on. You have to view my you have to go I went actually went right what what happened right that it all -- I don't think. -- the game as time it was. They weren't the rest -- and -- PFW fans they just got walked right eight and I don't know lucky to me up fourteenth before -- three -- guys went to the probable for protecting Brady all year and they activation do what radiate Boston they -- go. They should say someone else go that because that wasn't bears I don't know what happens why. Was so much different than that into the season and defensive -- are going up again. In I personal catcher in the play and they didn't play in the last game that we talked about that how much that was going to be -- Kyle Brady didn't play he played well I -- get beat I saw Brady grown out of the way like a rag doll bio I was smaller than him it is not appeal to do that. It didn't it was not a positive that they were -- healthy and."

Play from 6:03[6:03]" Out there and that was the part of the reason everybody talks with the giants offense of line I think we all respect to the giants defense line in order overlook that but I looked at the first in liking it. With Brian -- handling great hope I'm playing again at Yankee line. -- that night they had pressure on Brady but not a lot. Diamond and certainly nothing compare able to what happened in the Super Bowl with catcher and in -- and an -- you know went off at the quarter and hope that kind of going in he didn't play anywhere near as well and his game as he did an act and the first one. And and the -- one playing connect him at all -- was no walk in -- ornery and and you just figure if they were able to contain him that night. Why -- they going to be able to disrupt the game in this one but they want to have a -- to get a ball thrown to him yet -- and -- their parents -- right at right -- I think he had won earlier in the game -- that on that drive -- that drive that went -- that they that."

Play from 7:04[7:04]" One of the more disturbing things at -- you pointed out repeatedly during the game one's. The giants and care about me any -- at all Andy kept say it looked I don't even -- they had one guy say he he wouldn't even really be favoring moss side they certainly didn't do. Anything to target him -- take him out of the game. Nothing they are almost -- the patriot -- the and let their pass rush was so good right at the page at halftime as moss said that he was running routes any any heard the crowd during look back and Thomas on his back and that's who goes to Steve bad goal. Who knew that his pass rush was getting there are holes that played fifteen yards off -- quarters that you have to be right. If you -- himself about five to ten million dollars probably look."

Play from 7:46[7:46]" that really you know that's really the only way that you could stop the patriots offense that you were going to send people after the the quarterback. And we're gonna date we're gonna get there we're not going to play it safe like Thompson we're gonna get there were going to cover tight that's the only way you could do it. Because if you want it back -- smart enough and quick enough that he's going to get the ball out on time and he's going to find the open guy quickly. But there weren't radio they -- they had open receivers but they didn't have time to get it there and when he tried unity stuff I mean Welker had a great game with a left -- He barely average nine yards a reception was great Italy plays there was no video place --"

Play from 8:31[8:31]" You going to Florida and what the thirteen instead of can we were all or. Even world punting it trying to pick them back if you don't got a kicker nick and picket 48 yards home. Get into kicker and you know kicker and he can use that he can keep you can economic tactic and wasn't going to make all the knocked out -- has no way I -- that was you'll need it previous he kicked the kickoff out of -- a lot of people and -- something -- I think that's -- that's the only -- can think -- is that you can have confidence that if if -- you know I think academic all they might but it will -- The -- the lack of confidence cane during that game. What off and I during that game I mean -- and then they put him back out there to make him -- don't you know his job yet right that did the giants -- Problems what you did icing the kicker bit -- kicks that agreement Green -- that's very and they put them back out there again exactly it -- you'd tell me you kick the ball a lot about like ticket you all -- not. When I was sitting at DePaul went would have definitely in this league and I like they're moving down -- with -- ridiculous and I'll what did you and."

Play from 9:35[9:35]" Gimme that thing. We wanted to yard -- it would be it would have been one thing if they haven't won their typical house and out of games and you know what would pick everything up we just that we got and while we're down. Wouldn't get it anyway there was no indication in that game at the patriots were capable picking up. More than ten yards and he played at one you know the only thing I could think -- is he was pretty sure it was -- and he wasn't. Confident Chris hit that either. Not kicking in in the end -- we break Gonzales got worse case of Mario pick up 86 yards if I don't get the first down the -- at the 25 into the twenty if we are. But you know I call was clearly and we might -- who knows. You know the play call to get the ball pretty -- last it was a double pump rank in don't know what happened once the ball that but what pre season we ought to -- I don't know what happens what -- takes -- line of scrimmage and -- all America -- that was our commitment to and he. What I've stated I don't know what Brady did you know what what what but it still has a clear cut plan he has played out so much in his head like you're saying right. Only I mean that's what would be out on I just don't know I don't know -- we all agree I would love field goal called Everett will never know. He's never going to say I thought you have to they would it is Clifford Edwards did that we say it was a bad move right at bat like -- a lot of that away and -- immediately it's not -- you mean by when it happened he was it looked it means you know I think football trying to figure out. Oh we like it's really for now when right now I don't know what it was their penalty if you -- I wouldn't actually everybody in the stadium that yet with Eric was the first -- at the -- at all political right and well I just picked it like the announcers -- management drama aside there's -- than in close and make you know maybe a little while I'm out of something but just line up into what they did the other thing you know like real thick -- speak for drugs but. 35 seconds left early twenty ninth -- kick off. You know three timeouts in relief it to heave it downfield every time that have to try to. You know pick up in the yard call -- maybe by the ball couple times I don't think that's -- you know I like at Tom at the you know when you guys were together. You expected to get -- we get a crack at right now. Yard pass to Welker over the W right -- that accident -- We got a touchdown and I wondered if that. And it just at its chemical bombs away and he you know he had a job and inactive. Like it made no -- but if you heard of Oakland that kick off where he keep it out of bounds. Possibly survive and about it for a plausible reason I've heard a flawed because if nothing else makes. And I heard a lot of -- at one not fake punt fake punt from the point aren't. Are they -- when he kicked off right yeah I mean he'd. I'll act tick off while they controlled had a great tackle -- but I mean it was at these -- was it was a -- the plate -- they could be couldn't particular field goal he would do Whitney -- getting kicked to the twentieth right had a broken leg while it already has been dominant on your environment human element that was one. Well well ahead of impressed in the service that -- that's right I don't know if you nobody he he kicked yeah against Arnold I want Sammy. That one deep one the ball reverse the ball Brady threw the ball over the five I don't I -- very equitable it was it was way too close for the giants all god I was excited and I don't know which one wasn't that went -- at one course anyway after barely got -- and it went -- on us and which by the -- Washington jumped yes. I do I am surprised that -- and get as I bodies give out it -- I'm not going to criticize his -- I -- already got to that he will absolutely have to earn -- body count kind of odd lot Terry Glenn in that green Bay's Super Bowl member that early in the yes. That type of cat he would have had to make but is it really wasn't pitcher perfectly that must look like going up and not having control going to see him going up falling. You know for the I I can't criticize him for his ability to go to the ball downfield and whatever he thinks that's why I'm asking no India because I how many times article I know -- take the ball away from guys in this one needed to do whatever he does I think as the rate. All through made with the giants in Belichick which Austin and I think that's not a guy make ridiculous catches -- he knows what do but if I didn't see him do it that I that I probably would mean to -- well. What he thought was what I thought was best but I -- jump over guys in Miami liked it I'd rather criticize -- for a let all the things we're talking about. I think annual picking up not kicking a 48 hour -- You know they got their -- Manny. Play it all comes down to the French is super bulls do it was I also floors Logan ever -- the -- just flat out -- are often -- having that that our -- likely very weary yeah I I think it's hoping that we don't you that yeah yet that apply for the patriots dominated not to the extent but at the right pressure by. And I I'm quite seen this happen that fourth of one. The into the game but -- overall -- accident I'm in a pop up of the -- should not related article -- not but it papacy is a little different yeah not real that's not really short yardage situation because you have to protect right. -- it would with a given a time on the clock you can't just put nine guys and guys but a line and hopefully it'll mean it in what I want to take -- admiral Lindsay yards wasn't like you broke through luck but I think against the run the picture played great thick -- Look they gave up that much is the giants did that seem as buddy Mark Wilfork warrant those guys were in the backfield throughout the game at."

Play from 15:27[15:27]" I think -- ones. To be whole game -- the -- unfold that the giants want to will score again if you told with the giants scored seventeen points I couldn't run the book equaled that with my prediction 47 I had the giants are right now -- the -- the other thing too was it looked like they were in a fog the whole game the patriots they just didn't look motivated. It I don't know -- I -- that you know they -- right from the beginning all I couldn't match the intensity about that they couldn't they why why do you say that I could they -- walking around with a guy like a lot of -- You know you know hitting hard at what -- his repertoire are always remember it would Troy -- at about the -- support -- their run. It's not being on them because they were supposed to win all the time and he said. Whenever we got up that you would I'd like the USA in the Russia they were easy to USA guys -- celebrating. He said it became such a business to that we had to win that's all -- think it was that Super Bowl -- They they have to win you know what I like it got even a game for that -- as well yet. Now they look like."

Play from 16:39[16:39]" And I I -- and I totally I'd I'd I know it is the best I used radio as the barometer when Brady is is out is out there in his shoulders or want yup and -- and has now and he has that look where he's got that Peyton Manning look where he throws his arms open dared to kind of looks like all woe -- me. When he acts like that the rest of the team follow -- It seems to me I thought that was one play in the second half that was. Like 1012 out so well that he threw well over it. And look like there's probably miscommunication like the play with meaning that -- that the annual near an option I think at -- and communication between quarterback weaver. Looked out at welcome started barking adamant that the quarterback is in charge but not an -- in it all was acting -- It was kind of an example of things weren't going right. And and it really understand why didn't look right it you know everything that we were watching didn't look like but we are the first 1718 and -- what -- when we had a note I. For a Brady you know you -- I mean Brady -- Robby when he -- time -- double -- yeah that's resulted -- and we heard it all week that the offense was often practiced that they work at Charlotte and -- that this golf but what team has the bosnians and the -- you know that right -- and I don't -- and its not a quarterback in the -- that was -- and -- and that it in his post -- interview he said we couldn't match their intensity from the -- It was a it was a point India about the the passing game -- all the pool report at the passing game didn't appear to be in game one of clicking what I was happy in a while but."

Play from 18:23[18:23]" The other thing that I heard on Saturday they'll -- ticket never looked more Alou. And confident before I only at bat I thought all week that the team and it and the coach in particular award very. So I don't know I don't know what to say it's inexplicable it's got all of patriot nation shaking their heads we're going to get emails prep great feeling I want dot com you don't want to say is. This isn't good season I don't want to hear he would tell now. This was a good season you were one gave -- battle there Super Bowl before to -- something that nobody has gone. -- to -- what I think it was a good he's got great. You know what's the worst loss ever suffered for a was when the cowboys record for three straight Super Bowl because I knew that nobody else would I have yet to -- very sold fifteen years from now even if the patriots would disagreeable that probably are always going to remember that I had but I understand it's always going to have a bitter taste yet but. But I think you know going to know the regular season you know. Breaking the point record breaking that -- eat out -- record it does mean something. Yeah everyone remembers the Redskins vikings well they all remembered you know -- Corey Allen they all remember the vikings it would it -- he I don't throw like they remember Jose and I hate it means something about offense -- hit long home -- that it went -- it yet it means something but it's always followed by oh -- by absolutely. I -- that followed that had a chance to go undefeated didn't do the girl eighteen once he's -- denying this note that nine."

Play from 20:02[20:02]" When people think of the yet the 98 vikings I think of that offense when people think of the 2007 patriots didn't think of choked in August I topic I don't I don't think that's fair. But that's of people going to and they'll think and one of the reasons why would consider to chill was how great they were Derek and I don't think people they'll be in -- on this stating that and I think they lost. They got beat they got me I don't picked HO I think you know I think it's a difference between. All the things that you do on normally an -- you know you you're dropping the ball falling down you can't do this can't. Whole lot of the -- you fumbling in Judah hitting Gordon turned the ball over five times that to me would have been a choked and they hadn't done all year."

Play from 20:40[20:40]" They got beat out do you guys think that they ability thought they -- going to win the game easily yes because if I don't I'm and looked me elected to win when they were -- fight they'd generally want to fight. They just seem to be that they really thought that they were at a when I."

Play from 20:53[20:53]" Probably closer to ten in choke I've heard a lot of welcome the -- if anything you know the way that -- that held the patriots ten points up until that last drive -- boom boom boom -- happen. Seven points you -- that may be the giants were choking a little bit at the end."

Play from 21:10[21:10]" Oh I -- spell and I expect the spectacle it did and I'll give them credit for this for a reason and eight what coaches do -- he changed it up. And and didn't bring the pressure he added post game if that was my mistake we should double -- into -- all game. And I laid off and he -- Brady started to get in rhythm with Welker -- we try to bring the pressure and we -- stop so and it's funny -- I was choking."

Play from 21:34[21:34]" A lot of people talked about but no huddle and adjustment been like that and it's in here signal that because the first time they -- no -- in the first half. The giant at -- we teed off yet but it would kill him in the end it's only because -- made dad beat act on the ball was way behind him yeah -- and they were able to get out from the -- on their Brady could have gotten -- in -- how long -- Green passed all -- on third one convert the first one I'd have fun. Detonate the actions right but they had heavy pressure on radio and about three of -- ultimately got -- drive ended would it you know it made field -- The first time they now -- don't know how to retire our debt that I -- that it was art -- it was fueled a fire for the past they have as much pressure on that possession is any -- here bag all of a the next time with it kinda current temple up again and out late drive people -- that he they -- done that earlier but I don't generally think that's academic and Paul after that -- got the ball back with thirty days that they were coming after you but it it has need to do if they complete of one of those bonds. I thought they -- I was. Get I don't lap I haven't written the play calls -- of the games all the way -- was going to happen but I was waiting for the what time. Well -- eight yards and if he can run another eight yards time I'll do it again I'm not -- at -- field and I can take a shot. 120 yard pass get out of -- he -- a -- I think what -- I would not have been surprisingly the -- in -- the ball out of college I was well I wouldn't have been -- and -- I -- that play -- a 1% chance -- He's made those catches all year not that that's situation nobody's made that tactic that I know so that's why wasn't there -- expecting came when it was over with the game on the line. I I topic they had very much of chances of completing."

Play from 23:33[23:33]" I I I given up at that point oh well I haven't I had gave up before it was over I hadn't given up on the on the on field. They'll start in the locker room shower and I. I hadn't I hadn't given up on Google I gave I mean if you told me they gonna run three bombs again -- on the double plays -- I would if I gave general goal was clear they had no intention cobra you have a lot at stake if they complete one of those passes -- it probably elect maybe. Tense seconds left it probably due to the ones and they have a kicker -- about previous once more they did too long passes to moss they complete that happening again personal but it after you Gaffney and probably an active and lost in mock. It wouldn't get on. You sort it all sixteen yard line give the ball landed like the twenty. It wasn't wasn't not like -- that -- there the one pass he threw to moss was 77 yet it was I -- that I ought to give us a game one. It was a pretty yes that from here on sixteen on a ball from about ten. He's getting it to the other 135 yards it was a yards 35 yards -- thirty yard -- it is. No -- with India I have I have the highlights -- what I thought yeah I'll watch it and I I couldn't believe that otherwise -- rapping about it yeah I mean I'll watch it particular for that otherwise I don't think oh my god what he wrote what I don't think they had any shot in hell of completing anyone of the league -- I don't think so. It was down I think it was a poor decision on the coach's part to try to at all and one flew it in -- in our decision but I wasn't surprised that they did it and I wouldn't be surprised that he came down over what why would you why would you be surprised that they did. Because -- is still ballots to the -- He's made his career so next time I mean so that he -- mind and body was recovered I had nothing and it didn't matter is a whole different. Dynamic involved that guys who played for their lives you weren't going to let that happen almost that now -- really almost happened the ball went off -- guys' hands and hit ma means that at. That almost catching the fact that on the back of the balls are target 75 yards downfield tells me that it was a shot that it could happen. Yeah there was two other guys in his and that's what made it David -- play well you ticket giant won the -- at the plate it's I wanted. With him hitting the ball on a helmet that what are what are what it would have taken. Is a local play like that and Timmy I think -- rationale as much. Much more -- You'd you'd you'd take a couple of that's when all the that it was that they were going to dink and on their way down there because that's what they've always right but you know what they are not surprised that they went to mozzarella."

Play from 26:08[26:08]" I think the way that the giants the out of line with playing only way to pitchers can control that game was they had run run run and that and they were. They they couldn't they look at first like they were probably should we should bring up spread -- we have said all year if they have to run and they were. They needed a rod to get pressure off Brady and they couldn't do it on up a little more confident that you some lines you looked you looked okay on the few runs that he had you know when he got to the line. But the offensive line put one block needed to run block and the bottom line if you could have invented a third way that you move the ball whether pass -- something else -- the Strahan and Umenyiora Justin -- would've found a way to defend that they won the game that was. That Iowa he can't -- bomber and the giants and ended up winning fourteen and you are patriots -- the patriots I think you know the MVP for the giants would definitely be that often that the offensive line not me. Well you talk shows and arteries are additional gotten yeah consideration dad just got to give them and the like my father thought top probably one just."

Play from 27:18[27:18]" It was the MVP although than the last -- mean -- you know we atop my head and down from the Providence journal that media to vote. Mike -- was primedia and that's -- option kind of amongst each other and we L and the giants win talk. If the patriots win probably going to be Welker but I think in any point athlete I think if the patriots -- fourteen and I think yet strong indictment that it could've gone any. Yeah even -- well I was they held the best offense ever to fourteen point I don't agree I think it would have given -- well I try to -- they don't want -- that I think he would have over it off and Fabio or the defensive line you give it to the guy right right. Basically giving I could I don't I -- well for the defense line but talk to me was the one guy and I'll Mormon. And the arrest."