PFW in Progress - 7/11/2007

Wed, 11 Jul 2007

In this edition of PFW in Progress we discuss the reported signing of wideout Troy Brown and what this means to the wide receiver position. Also discussed is the Asante Samuel contract situation and the Patriots aging defense. We also remember former Patriots general manager Francis "Bucko" Kilroy, who recently passed away. Take a break with Fred, Paul, Andy, and Tom as they give you the latest scoop from Gillette Stadium and answer your questions. As always, email your comments to webradio@patriots.com.

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And in that very good as it was very funny at the wedding you brought that -- for the way as he normally but before we get them right up top get -- Top we do want to thank any he sent an email and an idea ordered food for today though. In an adult -- read hopefully resentment and you -- an hour ago I haven't you ever seen it yet but hopefully that do you of the Internet puppet you know being a little while. Hopefully that -- we want to thank me and for that I pulled off on my -- I'm chewing but more importantly for the the loyal if that -- and now we've we would be remiss if we didn't mention a couple of things first on that note -- kill Roy passed away yesterday at the age of 80 stick long time patriot you name Gallo. Executive the former NFL player back in the old days with the Philadelphia Eagles object of an NFL film special -- he will be meant he was still here at the age of me -- we just worked out of -- For having played in his arrow of a very difficult game very demanding physically demanding game. To be 86 is still be coming to an NFL stadium in Irving has -- can open for the team. The guy's let up here -- a month ago right don't coming in stadium on Friday that a good a good. -- life and now -- Revered fight by everybody I did not have the pleasure of knowing -- and never even -- he worked here at Gillette stadium I never even met the man but. Now by all accounts. And by all the people you talk to about him just absolutely revered as a wonderful human being that you will be net and we're going to have something yet Gordon or longtime NFL writer and currently -- with the USA today. Loyal PFW readers who know that he periodic columnist for us. He is going to be putting together a you know albeit for bako he worked together with bako years ago -- I'm sort of book that that the two of them compiled so look for that on the web site may be late this afternoon Bob more than likely out early tomorrow morning. -- mom. Hopefully I'm in I'd anecdotes from love you've been. Thank you very much and the food has arrived judging from the -- exuberant but anyway it looked look for Gordon -- It on did you start comment as well as well in training camp preview issue yeah W which will be coming out in three weeks. I'm now that -- was born. -- years ago. Where in 2721. I was amazed though has to me it's more amazing than to -- he was 80 years old and he. He was born in 1921 and I felt wow -- one -- when I'm old I'm at -- how I looked at -- not much like when he was born but. I like to play like an adult. In the -- right you know or you know I look at you know he was. Not only was old enough to remember an occasion an event but. You know a guy who. He he was probably working at whatever you know that -- I'll -- an offense against that blows me away we went up. Beyond that like when we -- you know the patriots winning streak was the best in. Some random. -- able to give -- those records go back to the 30s and you know free modern NFL pre AFL pre patriots all. He lived through a -- That'll mean remember that kind of the apocalypse Gilroy on -- of -- Football -- a lot of NFL old NFL history back in yet. The original NFL Philadelphia Eagles. So that that would be the obvious that negative but positive would be the report and other world. Brown coming back at not really surprise you at all on. Judging out what we've been following bill belichick's words and generally as I've had many times bill does not put himself in the position where his words can be used against him and it'll. Specifically -- that he expected very proud to have a a role with this team and sure enough it looks like he's going to Boston herald John -- yesterday reporting that -- is close to agreeing to according to a leagues or oh that's that's good news that he'll be back for 15 he's Andy only Steve growth and has played more seasons. And -- patriots uniform and Andrew -- and the thing that I I was in and from my report was that. He had received offers from other teams so it's not -- a case of longtime veteran wants one more year so it's obvious is that the patriots. People what this guy did last year that he can still be a productive player in the NFL other teams willing to give -- that's what I think tonight we kind of had a little argument with Tom to a the end of the last shall we did two weeks ago. -- about that and I think Thomas kind of getting the fact that he caught 443 ball kind of secondary guy last year. I think they're not charity case with with short -- not a man kind of while bring him back for the -- all the good work he's done for a over the years. I think is a viable receiver I don't think he's capable of being the number one guy going -- catching. 80 or 90 ball anymore. I don't think you would hold up physically but. We all I'm -- it can't -- Andy looks great who -- look just flat out look at bat every year when it's when those short brown. Now there's no question now may be with that the influx of talent that they have this year. We might watch some of those this year in -- can't say. But redeem on adopt all or west well I mean one guy might look at that is one guy got a chance -- treasure our mini camp Troy brown goes in terms of the things just watching a guy looked smooth. And do his job about a going to be in the top two master to party the eyeball parents Fred brown looked exactly like he got he did. And 992002001 right now. 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Play from 9:57[9:57]" that I used -- Brian. -- that he he doesn't have to punt return just doesn't have -- he was always a step ahead of the guys arm to make the tackle he wasn't a step ahead anymore getting tackled. I still think that said. Last year I thought he came back and was better in terms of what he'd been put -- a year or two battling injuries and different things. I think you fell off from the -- of Troy brown at some point you know 2003 but now he's back to where he still what are your best options -- an -- block to make the roster daily and her."

Play from 10:28[10:28]" I would I would agree in my in that the sort of health issue that that popped up bunt but by the -- want to put words about but by the it I would say. Well you're you're talking more along the lines of it being the Troy brown dynamic playmaker of the past he -- back. You know he's not going to you know be returning -- in every other week for touchdowns he's not going to be taken a quick glance over the middle and make it three guys miss and pick me up but two point five yards. But he's still capable of getting open can only making tough catches on third down in getting first -- he's he's he showed it last year and he still very much looking when he needed to make plays and that always I think -- I used to the two plays when -- was on the line. Tom Brady in San Diego and again. The following -- now you could argue that need of one of those plays. Now you'd be right like I thought I was telling -- Tom Brady was still looking for Troy brown -- when he and -- better than anyone -- at this point the guy practices -- plays with them every day every week if he said. You know I loved Corey he might have the -- but he doesn't give if you make a play here I don't -- to be looking for him that much as he did. You Detroit because that Troy brown gave his team best chance to win always going to have we'll open it up today -- dot com again. Web radio a patriot not time an Indian and -- here Freddie and Tom are not and begin our favorite team Miller of the week yeah tremendous we are once again wanna pay tribute to Vinny and and then -- in -- oh he from the greatest place on her. Where venues for okay. I don't want to -- steady -- let's -- camp Floyd for providing us with that little lunch today with -- like -- topic geno for getting back to there. Traditional rest that he would be boneless buffalo figures which for two to three week span where. Total by your fingers which were on edible. -- on had a inedible -- inedible there and now back to it. Phenomenal at a nominal. -- going to have a lot of hot topic on board does that to our main items that -- in terms of being timely. With the buckle -- right -- yesterday and the news that Troy brown although not official I should point that out not official. And nothing -- nowhere from the team. But I didn't words from the team all along they wanted to -- but it is funny dad yesterday before any of -- news broke I had acted -- a conversation with someone in the organization. Triumph for planning purposes to get up and straight for the yearbook. But whether or not I should include Troy brown and I was kind of like -- that I would be -- we already had a paid for Troy brown I'd I would like to believe that out of -- in doing so. It becomes no pride in Diaw for me and shouldn't come really -- anybody else but those -- newsworthy items. Been a couple of weeks we've got to show any. Rodney Harris and I evidently when I was gone on vacation agree like a cat actually asked what I would keep them around me kind of minor things going on but what you're on the -- will get that on the court the show but this sort of really that downtime in the true down I'm NFL he a couple of items in the in track -- bill has been away at Nantucket actually. Was on the vineyard over the low over the weekend I guess you know like oh really don't -- taking time away from the -- naturally. In my opinion you know that that notion that this is that you had Kareem Brown's agent Peter Schaefer thing. The deal yet the big because you know all baker from the vacation. On a traffic I'm did nothing like that report but and everything with the make it referral show yet. Everything is open to him all they'll known Noah update on his situation well -- what it is they. That is what the 11 81115 -- it's not from -- next Monday right. The day that. Today in the patriot tension with yet because of that. 15 generally David that falls on Sunday so. They get one extra day if they do not sign a long term deal before and then he cannot long term deal before in the so that's the way it goes up before it ended whatever now at their window there. Matt bush and I regularly played he'd have to -- already -- the final tuneup before its final regular season game. All that situation with not to annual there really known news there but we -- going to take a quick break an early break because. Put your flat out I'm not going to lie we -- then we want to ask me on eventually -- one here will be back in a moment"

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Play from 19:51[19:51]" Break into the hole just of the -- Hollywood. It make it make a statement that it was strange occurrence that I've ever seen at a wedding. It was a Vince McMahon production they appeared drastic understatement. Who put in perspective it was outdoor ceremony. -- the plane that Gary he's plane going overhead. Happened to coincide with Tom house all all the last several weeks but Tom kept on you know all up here and I got this and Kara will never Nolte delivered -- always always stereotypical Italian guy waving his arms and talked. He was up there at you know at the ceremony in -- trio of Tom getting together we're cousins pitted at 1 really."

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Play from 21:07[21:07]" You have to take some point I didn't expect it 600 -- let's take some of the what was my quote at the way. But all of it -- at this -- to -- put together. Short what outright from you know -- it that I put together all kinds sound -- from Tom off of a show here if Devin -- with the boys got. That was from the voice oh yeah -- that we have to give him a little bit of the blame. Anyway it was kind of one of those funny. Things not be taken there. People -- instead of it -- something about it but it looked it -- that there weddings or whatever and may have come when it. It was basically Tom. Being typical self deprecating well he was really put as often on a -- and and all this stuff. Not as though is whether it's. Pete does it can start off with the announcer voice talking in an ego of the whole page and Gary. Cleverly you know put all these -- together you know Tom Tom by and we've at all throated and with -- with a bat on my team. And that's what Tom gets out of the Alamo is not -- that this is not. At the reception where it all in all the the serious stuff quote unquote is -- this is the actual ceremony before he was married he pulls up. Again it was outdoors he pulls up -- a limo and Tina turner is blaring bullet at the sound of simply the best and I. From the limo comes ones Tom out with a knee injury into the crowd I am like -- may -- it went but it -- it was at WWL it was it was at WWF production in every sense of the word. How come out we're all looking around for the ball as this whole thing plays. The whole patriots contingent which the note and be myself and Gary drivers and Brian well. Tank and and Mara who worked up and a RA TFW for the graphic L and and I'm kind of threat. I was all there and obviously excellent report from there in my significant other there and all of the patriots contingent. Kinda just sat there. I thought it was extremely funny I was laughing very hard but with my head down covering my face because I was game and just hoping that we can have any -- and net no one when looked at us in any way in there on the glass made. -- Gary was there and now Gary turned me who you rednecks in the at a time it. Had I known he was going to play this at the ceremony and not the reception I wouldn't of done it. And now that pretty much on the at all it was ignorance is no unbelievably are real than yours. Its good points. Anyway we got tons emails coming in a lot of left over into week. Other a lot of left over emails I'm gonna kinda give fans have been unable to quench their PFW programs their number in order to -- to them not to commit more recently an -- back if we if we need them again web radio patriot dot com a special thing want once more to Vinny who provided us with MP wings here. Very good money of food to as Gary on the you don't diet that. Leave some mighty later you know I'm not you know not nearly -- like a -- you know we can you meet. That's true and it who's going to be. Technologies got -- got through it not to be happy in addition there. Anyway like any one more one more little -- I don't lie at an --"

Play from 25:10[25:10]" regular there's no belong going on long ongoing. Issues and -- we have on the show with -- wedding to former intern and underage young lady she's not really underage but. We play that joke up but. Over at the cocktail hour having our order and we were kidding around with her although a deathly got divide she doesn't really careful. And she did and and she said I -- car it to a -- that well they aren't you with your dad taught me if I was okay. Gary okay agreement actually she didn't regard it. Is she she really doesn't like -- a double votes on flooding in and got the ultimate back -- took a good shot on the timing. I'm trying to figure out whether she finds it funny Europe. Terrible you know liking and he can flat out that -- of topic and number and right exactly. But she Irish interest in his."

Play from 26:16[26:16]" wish it was treatment that went. She was hammered. Anyway from now on. Potatoes cleared so often from the guy who -- on the show I just maybe -- and to get drunk I will never drink again with Gary ward Josh. Normal normal and I can't handle a tool and I don't know we'll do blue. I cannot forget even for a politics that lawyer -- mentally for baseball and Waterloo, Iowa trying to. Trying to -- thank all the now wishing -- told us the game -- Waterloo I first up. -- had an extra time to review I'm of the old show. So which I'm just shaking my head and anyway here are of his observations in the first one is about me that I do not. Really recall however he has that Paul was surprised to have kept Tom Brady fourth quarterback. In 2000 and actually put me. I was actually surprised that Michael -- because I didn't think if you have the ability and the guy in -- was very proud that not only don't kept him but he found a role for him. Now bringing him in periodically on third down short yardage situations which by the way it never worked. I'll bring him in to -- he he threw a hail Mary that -- working at Indianapolis in the half a couple times. Yeah -- failed miserably through it won't -- about 20 Miami in India -- that. Bomb in. Once the to a -- to throw the ball yeah. The other one didn't didn't make the 20 -- truly you. Which I never -- like that I know but looking ball just never got where it was -- ago you get a game tonight too. Anyway number do. These lawyers observation from -- shows -- either way he went all the way back to 2000 evidently. Tomlin too."

Play from 28:20[28:20]" Interesting that you say that because I'm not social we had a show in 2000 Gary wanted to show that was no don't want Mark -- who knows -- Florida for you also weren't there. It was that there was a part definitely back that was one. But or so could have been maybe it's completely sure didn't act could be that anyway this one I like this one does not about me. Tom wouldn't touch a trade -- Randy -- with a ten foot pole. He and -- did the -- in the -- Wes Welker that he blames on you and I. Anyway three Lou reed did actually stopped by one in the past but -- child was. Childish comment drove her away that's not true that's true that is not true and foreign my favorite Fred making crazy statement is not a new -- he as all though. How did you go to make it with a kitchen to -- without Eric on the -- I don't know if you heard but he kicked and punted verdict and 1 double -- school I am sure you guys have covered the -- pay cut but let me say that he is my favorite player and I have on Sunday I would love him play like Rodney will knock your head off. Help you up and pat on the butt and knock your head off again he plays real football Mott who hand touch football like the league want to go to you guys talked about hosting a approval. My idea is that if that -- if a team wins the Super -- they get to post a five years later. And don't -- the weather should matter because look at Miami last year. It was a weather could get could help get real fans of the game not to the highest bidder if you want five usually have. If you wait five years and you have to post game. A game here and but the free agent odds Jerry and and nine he says he's he's a guy who it didn't. The one that we have not put together. So what do you think I think we threw at the end of -- now interest if the ball when I was an email I now."

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